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Hilary Wallace's avatar

The very worst bit of all this is not being on the same page as my husband of 38-years. I knew from the beginning that I would not take any of these shots as, early on, there seemed too many unknowns. I was highly suspicious of the push to get everyone vaccinated regardless of risk and, although I am older and so I suppose more at risk, I knew my own body. I provided my husband with papers, videos etc. but I could see he was deeply anxious about not getting it and wonder how much peer pressure had an influence, e.g. his brother was absolutely relentless in his nagging. Anyway I went off to Portugal in 2021 to see my sister (thank goodness we’re on the same page) and he went off almost immediately to get a shot. I was anxious and upset and since then I’m not sure our relationship has been quite the same. He cannot accept my views of the big picture at all - we never used to argue but it became endless. Finally we had to just stop talking about it at all which is very challenging. Issues then arose again last Autumn as we live in an EU country that introduced vaccine passports which brought their own problems - I can honestly say that Winter 2021 was probably the worst time of my life. I couldn’t believe that people were willing (and happy) to show papers to go and drink a cup of coffee!

Anyway we’ve now both got covid - my husband gave it to me. I have been fine as my enlightened doctor - not a fan of the shots - prescribed me Ivermectin which I’v had waiting in the cupboard. Ironically my husband turned down the Ivermectin - after all its horse paste isn’t it - despite being quite willing to take an EUA drug with a completely new technology almost untested on humans. Covid wasn’t even a bad cold for me - I’m 66. My husband - although not ill - is certainly worse than me. I now look back in the past year, the arguments, the upset, the periods spent apart because I just couldn’t take any more of living in a tyrannical EU country and just wonder what all that was about!

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Condensed verison: when all authorities (or rather authority figures) suddenly without debate or preamble or anything all say the same thing virtually on the same day, well... It is very hard to find a more obvious sign of bogus and that it is the consequence of careful preparation and massaging/messaging.

Real debate is initially chaotic, spontaneous, and goes off on various tangents backwards and forwards before settling in a narrowing pattern as facts become more and more clear. Doesn't matter if it is economists debating the application of the principles of the Chicago school vs. the Wigfors school, or engineers sniping at eachother regarding solar power or nuclear power; eventually, everybody has a rough framework and can actually get down to achieving something.

All things Covid bore the hallmarks of an advertising campaign having had a test tube baby with chinese thinking: i.e. "they'll believe it because authority tells them it's true, or else".

Plus, as I wrote on mr Chudov's page, as a teacher I recognise the Asch conformity test since it is a foundational basis of the post-WW2 school system all over the West.

(No shade on Asch, but he 'only' codified in scientific form what was already well known in advertising, communication theory [such as the works of a certain dr Goebbels] and liturgy/dogma and inquisitions: the majority is always right, because we are pack animals, to challenge the pack is to endanger the pack.)

"Now then students, for the coming four weeks we will look at one topic of your choice. Should we vote on the topics in the box or shall I draw one at random?" 1 in 20 sees through this, no more.

"If I give a group assignement and someone is absent during presentation, that person will be required to hand in an essay covering the entire presentation or will have failed the assignment." Reason for this: 1 of 3 panics at the thought of public speaking, but offer them what seems as a greater hassle and a chore and they will quickly rationalise away their opposition to the task, and participate in the presentation.

The above two tricks are the same, on a vastly different scale, that was used re: Covid and injections. They work very well, because they are based on our hard coded psychological response patterns.

Most of us aren't even conscious about using them on eachother.

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