The very worst bit of all this is not being on the same page as my husband of 38-years. I knew from the beginning that I would not take any of these shots as, early on, there seemed too many unknowns. I was highly suspicious of the push to get everyone vaccinated regardless of risk and, although I am older and so I suppose more at risk, I knew my own body. I provided my husband with papers, videos etc. but I could see he was deeply anxious about not getting it and wonder how much peer pressure had an influence, e.g. his brother was absolutely relentless in his nagging. Anyway I went off to Portugal in 2021 to see my sister (thank goodness we’re on the same page) and he went off almost immediately to get a shot. I was anxious and upset and since then I’m not sure our relationship has been quite the same. He cannot accept my views of the big picture at all - we never used to argue but it became endless. Finally we had to just stop talking about it at all which is very challenging. Issues then arose again last Autumn as we live in an EU country that introduced vaccine passports which brought their own problems - I can honestly say that Winter 2021 was probably the worst time of my life. I couldn’t believe that people were willing (and happy) to show papers to go and drink a cup of coffee!
Anyway we’ve now both got covid - my husband gave it to me. I have been fine as my enlightened doctor - not a fan of the shots - prescribed me Ivermectin which I’v had waiting in the cupboard. Ironically my husband turned down the Ivermectin - after all its horse paste isn’t it - despite being quite willing to take an EUA drug with a completely new technology almost untested on humans. Covid wasn’t even a bad cold for me - I’m 66. My husband - although not ill - is certainly worse than me. I now look back in the past year, the arguments, the upset, the periods spent apart because I just couldn’t take any more of living in a tyrannical EU country and just wonder what all that was about!
Thanks for sharing, Hillary, although I have to admit--reading your account breaks my heart. I am so very sorry you had to endure this, but then again (and I hope this serves as a kind of consolation), we don't know many, if any, who are similarly 'unclean'.
By now, we all 'had' Covid-19, which was, like in your case, less of a thing than a cold. Our elder daughter (8yo) presumably brought it home from school and gave it to us all. She spent a day on the couch, mostly lying around because she was tired. The next day, she was fine, that is, apart from a dislike of the taste of chocolate for 3-4 days (talk about that kind of childhood trauma…/sarcasm).
Apart from the appalling issues you outlined, no-one ever talked 'treatment' over here. It's a disgrace, and while all my wife and I ingested was Aspirin (which also helped, by the way), Norway is so far down the rabbit hole that its 'treatment' policies back in January were comparable to the official US (which says it all, doesn't it…).
Oh, lest I forget, and I don't mean to gloat, virtually everyone else we know (all vaxxed to the maxx) came down worse than we did with the bug. I suspect that Karma is a bitch…
India sees a lot of snake bites yearly, and quite a few deaths due to snake venom.
First aid to the victim of a snake bite is to try and suck out as much of the venom as possible.
Can you try and hazard a guess at what is the consequence when e.g. king cobra's venom gets in the contact with the tongue and other parts of nasopharynx?
Since you want me to 'hazard' a 'guess', I suspect I could do so--but keep in mind I have no idea what I'm talking about.
That said, I'd think that those who 'suck out as much venom as possible' may (?) build up a certain level of 'endurance', or ability to withstand, the venomous substances, and they would do so over time, won't they?
Now, I suspect that these particular parts of one's body would also increase their abilities to withstand any of these poisonous substances over time, but then again, given the fact that we humans breath and consume food and beverages through precisely these openings, and given that 'India' may consist of lots of fairly polluted places, too, there is an element of 'environmental factors' to consider, too.
All told, maybe those who do engage in these activities have some larger-by-comparison abilities to withstand 'poison', I don't know.
Why would you ask such a specific question, by the way?
I asked to get your attention and thank you for responding.
So, I've learned that a person whose tongue (and nasopharynx of course) comes in contact with king cobra's poison loses the sense of taste and smell for 12 to 18 months.
It's curious that loosing the sense of taste and smell is also an indication of being exposed to Covid.
sure, I'd like to hear what you have to say about it.
we can also discuss the way it was delivered (I'm neutral on that aspect) and the function of the background music (wish they didn't include it) but I'd rather explore the talking points themselves.
Condensed verison: when all authorities (or rather authority figures) suddenly without debate or preamble or anything all say the same thing virtually on the same day, well... It is very hard to find a more obvious sign of bogus and that it is the consequence of careful preparation and massaging/messaging.
Real debate is initially chaotic, spontaneous, and goes off on various tangents backwards and forwards before settling in a narrowing pattern as facts become more and more clear. Doesn't matter if it is economists debating the application of the principles of the Chicago school vs. the Wigfors school, or engineers sniping at eachother regarding solar power or nuclear power; eventually, everybody has a rough framework and can actually get down to achieving something.
All things Covid bore the hallmarks of an advertising campaign having had a test tube baby with chinese thinking: i.e. "they'll believe it because authority tells them it's true, or else".
Plus, as I wrote on mr Chudov's page, as a teacher I recognise the Asch conformity test since it is a foundational basis of the post-WW2 school system all over the West.
(No shade on Asch, but he 'only' codified in scientific form what was already well known in advertising, communication theory [such as the works of a certain dr Goebbels] and liturgy/dogma and inquisitions: the majority is always right, because we are pack animals, to challenge the pack is to endanger the pack.)
"Now then students, for the coming four weeks we will look at one topic of your choice. Should we vote on the topics in the box or shall I draw one at random?" 1 in 20 sees through this, no more.
"If I give a group assignement and someone is absent during presentation, that person will be required to hand in an essay covering the entire presentation or will have failed the assignment." Reason for this: 1 of 3 panics at the thought of public speaking, but offer them what seems as a greater hassle and a chore and they will quickly rationalise away their opposition to the task, and participate in the presentation.
The above two tricks are the same, on a vastly different scale, that was used re: Covid and injections. They work very well, because they are based on our hard coded psychological response patterns.
Most of us aren't even conscious about using them on eachother.
All of these are really good points, esp. about the differentiation (dialectic?) between 'news' and 'agit-/propaganda'. I often cite the 2011 tsunami that hit the Fukushima nuclear station as a good example of the former--which, say, the uniform messaging of the 2014 coup d'état in Kiev would be an excellent, if very sad, example of the latter.
Fair enough. I only got the 'test' to obtain that 'recovered' status to travel professionally this year, at least until that darned 'Covid Passport' expires in late June. I've got a standing invitation to go to Italy to attend a conference in late September, so, I suppose we'll see if I will actually go…
I slowly awakened in spring 2020 to the ugly reality that none of the government actions were to do with our health as the governments and media pretended be unaware of all the studies and data showing the following: the low IFR, the effectiveness of repurposed drugs, the ineffectiveness of masks, the lockdowns coming after Rt was already at or under 1, pre-existing cellular immunity, the problems of PCR tests, and aerosol transmission. The lockdowns also completely contradicted pre-2020 pandemic response plans.
And when the WEF started pushing for “immunity passports” around May 2020, I realised I owed my conspiracy-theorist mother an apology.
1. I ignored Igor after his Ferguson-like "analysis" of omicron with limited data.
2. He questioned ivermectin by quoting one obscure study.
I posed this question to him. Of course, neither he, nor anyone else, could answer it:
Why would govts need to force people, directly and via proxy, to take* something if they can prove it is safe, effective, and necessary??? (* Take can be replaced with do or not do.)
The onus is on the the govts and other pushers to prove their proposed action or measure.
I see it like you with respect to the government's drive to 'get people vaccinated'.
Honestly, I find his writings quite alright, esp. since he's (at least) asking certain questions. Also, I don't have to necessarily agree with anything I read.
Be that as it may, I found his latest essay thought-inspiring enough to compose a reply (but I don't think this is too important, hence the 'footnote' status).
Yes, it was scare mongering. He used that Ferguson line that he would be glad if he was wrong. Anyone can use that line for anything! With me, falsus in uno, falso in omni. He is only just another pundit. Don't need him.
In summer 2021, I took one J&J for the team (I made it clear to everyone at the time that I didn't need it, but that society didn't seem to be able to get over the whole thing, psychologically, without high enough vaccination rate). At some point in January or February 2022, J&J one-dose was declared "not fully vaccinated" in Germany (although Klabauterbach himself had dispensed some J&J shots in 2021) and could not visit pools or anything with my children (thank God the mandates have now been lifted).
The futility of the exercise was clear to me even before it started, in November 2020 (in German; search for "Fristentransformation": https://cm27874.jimdofree.com/).
That's a bit harsh for the poor old Klabautermann, isn't it? He usually cares a great deal for his ship and crew, as I understand it. Or is the role different in german mythology? The swedish "skeppstomte" shows his displeasure with lazy or sloppy sailors, but alsways strives to help the crew of a good ship.
The very worst bit of all this is not being on the same page as my husband of 38-years. I knew from the beginning that I would not take any of these shots as, early on, there seemed too many unknowns. I was highly suspicious of the push to get everyone vaccinated regardless of risk and, although I am older and so I suppose more at risk, I knew my own body. I provided my husband with papers, videos etc. but I could see he was deeply anxious about not getting it and wonder how much peer pressure had an influence, e.g. his brother was absolutely relentless in his nagging. Anyway I went off to Portugal in 2021 to see my sister (thank goodness we’re on the same page) and he went off almost immediately to get a shot. I was anxious and upset and since then I’m not sure our relationship has been quite the same. He cannot accept my views of the big picture at all - we never used to argue but it became endless. Finally we had to just stop talking about it at all which is very challenging. Issues then arose again last Autumn as we live in an EU country that introduced vaccine passports which brought their own problems - I can honestly say that Winter 2021 was probably the worst time of my life. I couldn’t believe that people were willing (and happy) to show papers to go and drink a cup of coffee!
Anyway we’ve now both got covid - my husband gave it to me. I have been fine as my enlightened doctor - not a fan of the shots - prescribed me Ivermectin which I’v had waiting in the cupboard. Ironically my husband turned down the Ivermectin - after all its horse paste isn’t it - despite being quite willing to take an EUA drug with a completely new technology almost untested on humans. Covid wasn’t even a bad cold for me - I’m 66. My husband - although not ill - is certainly worse than me. I now look back in the past year, the arguments, the upset, the periods spent apart because I just couldn’t take any more of living in a tyrannical EU country and just wonder what all that was about!
Thanks for sharing, Hillary, although I have to admit--reading your account breaks my heart. I am so very sorry you had to endure this, but then again (and I hope this serves as a kind of consolation), we don't know many, if any, who are similarly 'unclean'.
By now, we all 'had' Covid-19, which was, like in your case, less of a thing than a cold. Our elder daughter (8yo) presumably brought it home from school and gave it to us all. She spent a day on the couch, mostly lying around because she was tired. The next day, she was fine, that is, apart from a dislike of the taste of chocolate for 3-4 days (talk about that kind of childhood trauma…/sarcasm).
Apart from the appalling issues you outlined, no-one ever talked 'treatment' over here. It's a disgrace, and while all my wife and I ingested was Aspirin (which also helped, by the way), Norway is so far down the rabbit hole that its 'treatment' policies back in January were comparable to the official US (which says it all, doesn't it…).
Oh, lest I forget, and I don't mean to gloat, virtually everyone else we know (all vaxxed to the maxx) came down worse than we did with the bug. I suspect that Karma is a bitch…
India sees a lot of snake bites yearly, and quite a few deaths due to snake venom.
First aid to the victim of a snake bite is to try and suck out as much of the venom as possible.
Can you try and hazard a guess at what is the consequence when e.g. king cobra's venom gets in the contact with the tongue and other parts of nasopharynx?
Huhum, well,I honestly have absolutely no idea.
Since you want me to 'hazard' a 'guess', I suspect I could do so--but keep in mind I have no idea what I'm talking about.
That said, I'd think that those who 'suck out as much venom as possible' may (?) build up a certain level of 'endurance', or ability to withstand, the venomous substances, and they would do so over time, won't they?
Now, I suspect that these particular parts of one's body would also increase their abilities to withstand any of these poisonous substances over time, but then again, given the fact that we humans breath and consume food and beverages through precisely these openings, and given that 'India' may consist of lots of fairly polluted places, too, there is an element of 'environmental factors' to consider, too.
All told, maybe those who do engage in these activities have some larger-by-comparison abilities to withstand 'poison', I don't know.
Why would you ask such a specific question, by the way?
I asked to get your attention and thank you for responding.
So, I've learned that a person whose tongue (and nasopharynx of course) comes in contact with king cobra's poison loses the sense of taste and smell for 12 to 18 months.
It's curious that loosing the sense of taste and smell is also an indication of being exposed to Covid.
Food for thought -> https://rumble.com/v10miez-world-premiere-watch-the-water.html
Thanks, darkesthour, I've heard about it--so I cannot say anything about it (yet).
I shall watch Dr. Ardis' argument and get back to you, o.k.?
sure, I'd like to hear what you have to say about it.
we can also discuss the way it was delivered (I'm neutral on that aspect) and the function of the background music (wish they didn't include it) but I'd rather explore the talking points themselves.
Condensed verison: when all authorities (or rather authority figures) suddenly without debate or preamble or anything all say the same thing virtually on the same day, well... It is very hard to find a more obvious sign of bogus and that it is the consequence of careful preparation and massaging/messaging.
Real debate is initially chaotic, spontaneous, and goes off on various tangents backwards and forwards before settling in a narrowing pattern as facts become more and more clear. Doesn't matter if it is economists debating the application of the principles of the Chicago school vs. the Wigfors school, or engineers sniping at eachother regarding solar power or nuclear power; eventually, everybody has a rough framework and can actually get down to achieving something.
All things Covid bore the hallmarks of an advertising campaign having had a test tube baby with chinese thinking: i.e. "they'll believe it because authority tells them it's true, or else".
Plus, as I wrote on mr Chudov's page, as a teacher I recognise the Asch conformity test since it is a foundational basis of the post-WW2 school system all over the West.
(No shade on Asch, but he 'only' codified in scientific form what was already well known in advertising, communication theory [such as the works of a certain dr Goebbels] and liturgy/dogma and inquisitions: the majority is always right, because we are pack animals, to challenge the pack is to endanger the pack.)
"Now then students, for the coming four weeks we will look at one topic of your choice. Should we vote on the topics in the box or shall I draw one at random?" 1 in 20 sees through this, no more.
"If I give a group assignement and someone is absent during presentation, that person will be required to hand in an essay covering the entire presentation or will have failed the assignment." Reason for this: 1 of 3 panics at the thought of public speaking, but offer them what seems as a greater hassle and a chore and they will quickly rationalise away their opposition to the task, and participate in the presentation.
The above two tricks are the same, on a vastly different scale, that was used re: Covid and injections. They work very well, because they are based on our hard coded psychological response patterns.
Most of us aren't even conscious about using them on eachother.
All of these are really good points, esp. about the differentiation (dialectic?) between 'news' and 'agit-/propaganda'. I often cite the 2011 tsunami that hit the Fukushima nuclear station as a good example of the former--which, say, the uniform messaging of the 2014 coup d'état in Kiev would be an excellent, if very sad, example of the latter.
I think I had the virus in whatever form in January too. But I refuse to be tested so I don't know for sure.
Fair enough. I only got the 'test' to obtain that 'recovered' status to travel professionally this year, at least until that darned 'Covid Passport' expires in late June. I've got a standing invitation to go to Italy to attend a conference in late September, so, I suppose we'll see if I will actually go…
If it wasn't for airplanes we (or rather those living sterilized lifestyles) probably wouldn't be in such a tizzy to control microbes. Just typing!
I slowly awakened in spring 2020 to the ugly reality that none of the government actions were to do with our health as the governments and media pretended be unaware of all the studies and data showing the following: the low IFR, the effectiveness of repurposed drugs, the ineffectiveness of masks, the lockdowns coming after Rt was already at or under 1, pre-existing cellular immunity, the problems of PCR tests, and aerosol transmission. The lockdowns also completely contradicted pre-2020 pandemic response plans.
And when the WEF started pushing for “immunity passports” around May 2020, I realised I owed my conspiracy-theorist mother an apology.
1. I ignored Igor after his Ferguson-like "analysis" of omicron with limited data.
2. He questioned ivermectin by quoting one obscure study.
I posed this question to him. Of course, neither he, nor anyone else, could answer it:
Why would govts need to force people, directly and via proxy, to take* something if they can prove it is safe, effective, and necessary??? (* Take can be replaced with do or not do.)
The onus is on the the govts and other pushers to prove their proposed action or measure.
I see it like you with respect to the government's drive to 'get people vaccinated'.
Honestly, I find his writings quite alright, esp. since he's (at least) asking certain questions. Also, I don't have to necessarily agree with anything I read.
Be that as it may, I found his latest essay thought-inspiring enough to compose a reply (but I don't think this is too important, hence the 'footnote' status).
I ignored Igor, too, after his omicron scare mongering (what it seemed like to me). I’ve been reading him again lately, though.
Yes, it was scare mongering. He used that Ferguson line that he would be glad if he was wrong. Anyone can use that line for anything! With me, falsus in uno, falso in omni. He is only just another pundit. Don't need him.
In summer 2021, I took one J&J for the team (I made it clear to everyone at the time that I didn't need it, but that society didn't seem to be able to get over the whole thing, psychologically, without high enough vaccination rate). At some point in January or February 2022, J&J one-dose was declared "not fully vaccinated" in Germany (although Klabauterbach himself had dispensed some J&J shots in 2021) and could not visit pools or anything with my children (thank God the mandates have now been lifted).
The futility of the exercise was clear to me even before it started, in November 2020 (in German; search for "Fristentransformation": https://cm27874.jimdofree.com/).
I must ask, is the contraction "Klabauterbach" an allusion to Klabautermann, the schiffgeist or kobold of myth and tradition?
Of course it is :)
That's a bit harsh for the poor old Klabautermann, isn't it? He usually cares a great deal for his ship and crew, as I understand it. Or is the role different in german mythology? The swedish "skeppstomte" shows his displeasure with lazy or sloppy sailors, but alsways strives to help the crew of a good ship.
Klabautermann really cares for the ship, the crew is just a means to this end. Also, it is a very bad sign if you can see him.
Aha, and the "means to an end"-part plus bad news if you see him is what makes it fit. Now I get it.
Funny how different the interpretation is despite both cultures having a shared mythologie.