The thing to note but not mention. 90% were fully vaccinated. That means around 100. 98% who caught it were fully vaccinated.
That means that they were 10 unvaccinated, excluding the delta guy. Of those 10, 1 or 2 caught omicron, depending how they rounded that 98% thing. That means that NOT being vaccinated protects you from omikron.
You see, I'm not throwing around these 'allegations' (now factually proven) of innumeracy and borderline illiteracy for nothing. The numbers, which I don't take at their face-value anyways, are cooked at least once a day and twice on Sundays, but still: I agree, no-one knows how they came up with these percentages of numbers based on percentages. It's silly and serves, mainly, I think, to obscure the simple point.
While some say this may make sense because it's apparently mainly, if not exclusively, 'vaccinated' who are affected, it renders any 'accusatory' sentiment about 'unvaccinated' individuals not only moot but also *logically* impossible. (Disclaimer: I don't mean to say it's impossible to catch Omicron if unvaccinated, there's just not enough, if any, data on this.)
My only question about the OOO is the same as yours, I suppose: were there any 'unvaccinated' at Louise's Bar & Grill? And, if so, what about them?
Alas, I fear we shall not learn about this any time soon, for 'even' that Eurosurveillance piece doesn't really get into this.
It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, it's quite understandable that the government is (playing up their) concerns about 'the vaccinated' since they are the overwhelming majority. Still, we'll find out soon enough whether or not it is going to be 'the vaccinated' who will end up in the hospitals.
Yet, as my spouse constantly reminds me, it's then quite likely that the government and their media lackeys will go for the scapegoat of 'the unvaccinated' before admitting to any kind of 'mistake'.
"... the most common symptoms were cough (83%), followed by runny/stuffy nose (78%), fatigue/lethargy (74%), sore throat (72%), headache (68%) and fever (54%)…"
- 7 people had Covid before. Did some of them also test positive after the OOO?
- "We can also not exclude that there may have been multiple virus introductions". Well, they found both delta and omikron...
- "Vaccination, including providing booster doses to risk groups, will continue to be a key control measure". Hell, yeah, but control of what? Surely not the disease.
as to your questions (comments): both the IPH and the Eurosurveillance piece state the following:
"The investigation is continuing to determine the full spectrum of illness and its duration, the risk factors for infection and the extent of secondary transmission. More systematic surveillance and research is needed in order to determine the epidemiological and clinical characteristics of the Omicron variant and the appropriate control measures for managing outbreaks."
(This is in the Conclusions, it's the part I didn't quote in my piece because I deemed it too obvious.)
I agree with the second part: they found both, so, I don't know why they included that language (my hunch is that most STEM scholars aren't good at actually writing: my own background is in the Humanities, and while I do have a lot of issues with esp. the postmodernist literary leanings of many, if not most, colleagues, and how they write, even their typically borderline unintelligible texts are often shining examples of composition).
As to the last point--that's I think the key aspect here: did you note the snippet about the absence of Covid Passports etc. before the OOO? That's also a (in my view *huge*) give-away as to the usefulness of such "measures" to control…well, who or what, exactly? I'm sure you saw that Italy announced testing requirements for jabbed travellers, which caused an uproar among its EU "partners" over this (who, after all, needs enemies with "friends" like that…)
Here in Scandinavia, Sweden already introduced Covid Passports (for gatherings larger than 100 people), which is either unneccssary or stupid (or both = "evil"); Trondhein in Norway announced its intention to use Covid Passports domestically, but given that it's a well-established fact that jabs don't prevent (re-) infection, spread, and transmission, all we can do is marvel at the "reasoning" behind that.
The thing to note but not mention. 90% were fully vaccinated. That means around 100. 98% who caught it were fully vaccinated.
That means that they were 10 unvaccinated, excluding the delta guy. Of those 10, 1 or 2 caught omicron, depending how they rounded that 98% thing. That means that NOT being vaccinated protects you from omikron.
You see, I'm not throwing around these 'allegations' (now factually proven) of innumeracy and borderline illiteracy for nothing. The numbers, which I don't take at their face-value anyways, are cooked at least once a day and twice on Sundays, but still: I agree, no-one knows how they came up with these percentages of numbers based on percentages. It's silly and serves, mainly, I think, to obscure the simple point.
In my (current) headline piece on the IPH'S assessment (https://fackel.substack.com/p/covid-19-in-norway-lockdown-because) I also point out that their entire 'argument', such as it is, appears to be based on looking at 'vaccinated' only.
While some say this may make sense because it's apparently mainly, if not exclusively, 'vaccinated' who are affected, it renders any 'accusatory' sentiment about 'unvaccinated' individuals not only moot but also *logically* impossible. (Disclaimer: I don't mean to say it's impossible to catch Omicron if unvaccinated, there's just not enough, if any, data on this.)
My only question about the OOO is the same as yours, I suppose: were there any 'unvaccinated' at Louise's Bar & Grill? And, if so, what about them?
Alas, I fear we shall not learn about this any time soon, for 'even' that Eurosurveillance piece doesn't really get into this.
"we cannot exclude that vaccination has reduced the risk of serious illness"
If only there had been an equally-sized control group at the party...
Oh, you spotted that one, too.
It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, it's quite understandable that the government is (playing up their) concerns about 'the vaccinated' since they are the overwhelming majority. Still, we'll find out soon enough whether or not it is going to be 'the vaccinated' who will end up in the hospitals.
Yet, as my spouse constantly reminds me, it's then quite likely that the government and their media lackeys will go for the scapegoat of 'the unvaccinated' before admitting to any kind of 'mistake'.
"... the most common symptoms were cough (83%), followed by runny/stuffy nose (78%), fatigue/lethargy (74%), sore throat (72%), headache (68%) and fever (54%)…"
Those are the symptoms of the garden-variety FLU!
It is omibulla.
Some of us cannot find Norwegian. Just as well.
re the symptoms: yeah, it's a cold, which is actually quite "common" around 60° North at this time of year, I've heard somewhere…
Thanks! A few comments:
- 7 people had Covid before. Did some of them also test positive after the OOO?
- "We can also not exclude that there may have been multiple virus introductions". Well, they found both delta and omikron...
- "Vaccination, including providing booster doses to risk groups, will continue to be a key control measure". Hell, yeah, but control of what? Surely not the disease.
Hi cm27874,
as to your questions (comments): both the IPH and the Eurosurveillance piece state the following:
"The investigation is continuing to determine the full spectrum of illness and its duration, the risk factors for infection and the extent of secondary transmission. More systematic surveillance and research is needed in order to determine the epidemiological and clinical characteristics of the Omicron variant and the appropriate control measures for managing outbreaks."
(This is in the Conclusions, it's the part I didn't quote in my piece because I deemed it too obvious.)
I agree with the second part: they found both, so, I don't know why they included that language (my hunch is that most STEM scholars aren't good at actually writing: my own background is in the Humanities, and while I do have a lot of issues with esp. the postmodernist literary leanings of many, if not most, colleagues, and how they write, even their typically borderline unintelligible texts are often shining examples of composition).
As to the last point--that's I think the key aspect here: did you note the snippet about the absence of Covid Passports etc. before the OOO? That's also a (in my view *huge*) give-away as to the usefulness of such "measures" to control…well, who or what, exactly? I'm sure you saw that Italy announced testing requirements for jabbed travellers, which caused an uproar among its EU "partners" over this (who, after all, needs enemies with "friends" like that…)
Here in Scandinavia, Sweden already introduced Covid Passports (for gatherings larger than 100 people), which is either unneccssary or stupid (or both = "evil"); Trondhein in Norway announced its intention to use Covid Passports domestically, but given that it's a well-established fact that jabs don't prevent (re-) infection, spread, and transmission, all we can do is marvel at the "reasoning" behind that.
"control of what?" Humans, obv.