Hope you get better soon and that this will be the worst of it. With no relapsing.
Spot on about how no physician diagnoses anything now. From the start of this farce my friends and I have been saying that doctors and nurses are making themselves into prime candidates to be replaced by AI/robots. To be honest I wouldn't miss the human ones I think as too often they have been acting like robots without the excuse of being made of metal and plastic. If you aren't going to use your brain or your heart to think and to feel then why shouldn't you be replaced by a machine? At least the machine won't be arrogant to boot!
Our daughter and her husband got sick and then tested + for “COVID.” They’re both double-jabbed. My wife told her “At least now you have natural immunity.” She replied, “I thought that was why we got vaccinated.” “Well, you were lied to.” Didn’t make her feel too good. The mass testing has to end. Now their oldest can’t return to school for a week. Which, I guess doesn’t matter because they closed the school down because of “cases.”
Edit to add: We used to say “They both got some bug,” and nobody gave it another thought. Now everyone is conditioned to fret and stew about getting “sick.”
Oh my, well, I remember that kind of conversation with my friends and relatives. None of 'them' can make a coherent argument about any of this.
As to the school closure: well, that's something that shouldn't be done in the first place. As things are, we'll have to see how that particular part develops.
Austria presented the final draft of their vaccine mandate proposal yesterday.
The only good: they exlcluded teenagers, everything else bad as far as I can tell and as I understood from your previous analysis. (btw. I live in in Germany very close to the border and this is really beginning to unsettle me.)
My burning question: Considering your insight, what do you think are the chances of a #GENERALSTREIK in Austria?
When individual bodily autonomy is no longer respected and one is exlcluded from much of social life, then surely all that remains is to withdraw your labour??
This is how capitalism works, right? The ultimate leverage. To refuse your time and energy and instead to allocate it to peaceful protest. Not in the dark of Monday night protests, not in our freetime, but on a Monday afternoon! This would be a huge spectacle and impossible to ignore. Of course it only works,if the unvaccinated hold the line and take to the streets en masse. ..
Here in Germany I have started sounding out my circle of friends/colleagues/etc. My current thinking is that this idea needs to be sown now in advance in order to give it time to propagate and grow, and when it ripens we will be ready. There are 12 Million unvaccinated adutls in DE!
This warrants a much longer answer than I can give you right now.
In short: I doubt there will be a general strike in either Austria or Germany, for that matter.
This doesn't mean that I disagree with your arguments here, but the standard of living, however precarious, is still too darn high for any of these 'inconveniences' to make the people move against the government.
That said, the entire lunacy of vaxx mandates has been shown by the US Supreme Court, which handed down a rather schizophrenic decision (discarding the general vaxx mandate while upolding it, of sorts, for health care workers). It's very late in this 'game' (which I also understand isn't a 'game'), and the longer politicians insist on it, the larger that particular albatross around their neck will become.
Politically, as cm27874 also points out below, this entire shitshow is a lose-lose gambit, as the number of 'no longer jabbed (enough)' is only going to grow over time.
At this time, my guess is that the insistence on getting jabbed now is simply to avoid being seen to have wasted public money (it's all about optics, here) on these jabs; on the other hand, there's also the notion of non-enforcement of the mandate, which the current draft legislation specifically envisions: we'll see in spring, meaning: everyone knows this won't get enforced (that is, unless the Green fundamentalists get their say).
Is the vaccination business really a net loss, in monetary terms, for Germany? Biontec's revenue is said to account for 1/5 or something of Germany's GDP increase.
And the number of unvaccinated adults in Germany will, at some point, grow again. First to be outcast will be un-boostered J&J (as is already the case in Austria), then un-boostered mrna.
Yes, I'm German. Action like this seems unlikely to happen on a larger scale around here. If we wanted to protest in the afternoon we would work like a dog in the morning in order to fulfill our duties.
"Now, I fully expect to obtain a ‘recovered certificate"
Don't be too presumptuous. An unvaccinated guy on Telegram, John Adams, whose wife is giving the ultimatum that he must attend her delivery. But he won't be vaccinated. He got some mild "symptoms" so he expected to be PCR positive. To be sure, he got tested twice on separate days. Both results returned NEGATIVE! LOL! To add insult, the second result came on the 8th day following the test.
Get well soon! You probably caught Omicron, which, by all accounts, is basically a bad cold. I was quite ill for two weeks (and then weak for another two weeks) back when I caught COVID (presumably Delta) back in October. I couldn't see a doctor even when I was quite ill (quarantine), and it took a week before I even managed to talk to one (I've dumped the clinic in question, and I'll need to find another doctor soon). Isn't it fascinating how, suddenly, doctors won't see sick people? Although if you feel *very* ill, you're allowed to hop on the public transportation to go to a hospital. Totally makes sense (ahem).
Isn't it strange: we all get to fork over health/social insurance taxes, but once we'd need them (Covid), no doctor will see anyone.
Thus follow, logically, the question about the healthcare system in general: it's not about the (wrong dichotomy) of 'private' vs. 'socialised' medicine, it's about these social services in principle.
As to the kafkaesque notions you describe: I wish that would be better over here or elsewhere. The one thing anyone can do is find a doctor who still practices 'the art of medicine' and pay cash.
To my knowledge, Sweden and parts of the UK 'fortify' some basic staples, such as milk, grain, and the like.
As to the fish liver oil, yes, that's quite wide-spread, but since I don't the former or milk (with or without vitamin D supplements), there's not much else to do, isn't it?!
As to the ginger tea, well, it's vitamin C (also makes me drink less coffee) and, honest to God, I actually like the taste. As an aside, I don't know many Austrians who also like ginger tea (which in my book is just raw ginger with hot water).
It is a common practice to take fish liver oil every morning the months that have an R in the name, like in English from September to April. That dose will give you 10 ug of D vitamin. Apart from that I am not aware of anything else.
You can also buy milk with D vitamin, but you have to drink more than anybody does in order to get a meaningful dose.
You also have to remember that our host is Austrian, so he takes weird ginger tea.
Interesting! As a child, I also had my daily dose of "Lebertran", and I actually liked it! The practice seems to have more or less died out here in Germany.
And don't bet too much on your "recovery certificate". Two days ago, the RKI announced (not really publicly, but somewhere on their website) that, henceforth, such certificates will not be valid for six months anymore. No, not five. No, not four. THREE! Which means basically TWO, because you can get one only 28 days after your positive PCR test. And that's not a political decision but a purely bureaucratic one. At the same time, Switzerland extended validity of certificates from six to twelve months. The gods of THE SCIENCE are battling in heaven.
Yeah, I came down with omicron as well. What seems to be happening to 4-5 days of getting back to normal, then a relapse and go through it all over again. Some people online says they don't test positive until after the relapse. Anyway, symptoms are mostly tiredness, some chills, non-consecutive days of brain fog/headaches. Lungs clear. I didn't start coughing until after the relapse. Weird. Hope you and your family feel better soon.
Don't take me wrong: but this 'Covid'-thingy is like a cold; actually, it's less annoying than a cold, symptom-wise (it's way more annoying in terms of the shitshow masquerading as public policy, though).
There's another comment further down below, which trashed the notion of testing. I concur. The one and only reason I took a test yesterday was to 'share the burden' (because our elder daughter hates these things, and we make her take them so that she may talk about it in school, however casually, if asked).
I took a grand total of 6 PCR tests (all of them related to travel, 4 work-related and the other 2 vacation-related), because the darned airlines won't let you board without one. I also did some 3 rapid tests. Mind you, these are 'cumulative totals' for the entire 'pandemic'.
Re the 'recovered' status: well, that's the only thing that matters to me, for this will allow me to 'casually' note my 'Covid Survivor' status (/sarcasm).
Re the 'reason' behind the PCR tests: it's entirely obvious that this additional certification will remain the one reason behind its existence beyond spring 2022. Imagine the arbitrary power this affords to whoever manufactures these tests, to those who certify them (public health authorities), and to those who enforce them (police).
I would imagine that governments in the EU/EEC will follow whatever stupid 'rule' coming out of 'Brussels', and the mandatory PCR-tests for 'international travel' will remain in force in the long(er) term, even if 'national' containment measures will either be abrogated, ignored, or gradually converted into 'dead law'.
Long story short: there's going to be a 'bifurcation' ahead of us--more and more 'vaccine' failure will make governments impose ever-harsher 'limitations' (all must be PCR-tested) on a range of issues, which will be 'sold' as 'we never promised these vaccines would be 100% effective, and to counter these unfortunate problems, it's PCR tests for everyone', with perhaps some scapegoating of the 'unvaccinated' to boot.
As I said, this entire Covid-19-charade is a political issue, and as such it won't have any non-political 'resolution'.
Hope you get better soon and that this will be the worst of it. With no relapsing.
Spot on about how no physician diagnoses anything now. From the start of this farce my friends and I have been saying that doctors and nurses are making themselves into prime candidates to be replaced by AI/robots. To be honest I wouldn't miss the human ones I think as too often they have been acting like robots without the excuse of being made of metal and plastic. If you aren't going to use your brain or your heart to think and to feel then why shouldn't you be replaced by a machine? At least the machine won't be arrogant to boot!
You watched that movie, Elysium, from a few years ago, right?
That's a quite possible future, I think.
Sadly, I must admit that I agree. That is quite possibly a future for us.
Our daughter and her husband got sick and then tested + for “COVID.” They’re both double-jabbed. My wife told her “At least now you have natural immunity.” She replied, “I thought that was why we got vaccinated.” “Well, you were lied to.” Didn’t make her feel too good. The mass testing has to end. Now their oldest can’t return to school for a week. Which, I guess doesn’t matter because they closed the school down because of “cases.”
Edit to add: We used to say “They both got some bug,” and nobody gave it another thought. Now everyone is conditioned to fret and stew about getting “sick.”
Oh my, well, I remember that kind of conversation with my friends and relatives. None of 'them' can make a coherent argument about any of this.
As to the school closure: well, that's something that shouldn't be done in the first place. As things are, we'll have to see how that particular part develops.
Do nasal and oral irrigation with betadine
This is why SALT nasal and oral irrigation work.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.08.22268944v1
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-move-over-ivermectin-the-media-is-now-attacking-effective-nasal-sprays-used-against-covid
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.16.21262044v1
https://twitter.com/RMConservative/status/1429258877082771459
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1428402696176947215
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.16.21262044v1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7193539/
https://palexander.substack.com/p/can-povidone-iodine-garglemouthrinse
Gute Besserung
Vielen Dank!
Austria presented the final draft of their vaccine mandate proposal yesterday.
The only good: they exlcluded teenagers, everything else bad as far as I can tell and as I understood from your previous analysis. (btw. I live in in Germany very close to the border and this is really beginning to unsettle me.)
My burning question: Considering your insight, what do you think are the chances of a #GENERALSTREIK in Austria?
When individual bodily autonomy is no longer respected and one is exlcluded from much of social life, then surely all that remains is to withdraw your labour??
This is how capitalism works, right? The ultimate leverage. To refuse your time and energy and instead to allocate it to peaceful protest. Not in the dark of Monday night protests, not in our freetime, but on a Monday afternoon! This would be a huge spectacle and impossible to ignore. Of course it only works,if the unvaccinated hold the line and take to the streets en masse. ..
Here in Germany I have started sounding out my circle of friends/colleagues/etc. My current thinking is that this idea needs to be sown now in advance in order to give it time to propagate and grow, and when it ripens we will be ready. There are 12 Million unvaccinated adutls in DE!
This warrants a much longer answer than I can give you right now.
In short: I doubt there will be a general strike in either Austria or Germany, for that matter.
This doesn't mean that I disagree with your arguments here, but the standard of living, however precarious, is still too darn high for any of these 'inconveniences' to make the people move against the government.
That said, the entire lunacy of vaxx mandates has been shown by the US Supreme Court, which handed down a rather schizophrenic decision (discarding the general vaxx mandate while upolding it, of sorts, for health care workers). It's very late in this 'game' (which I also understand isn't a 'game'), and the longer politicians insist on it, the larger that particular albatross around their neck will become.
Politically, as cm27874 also points out below, this entire shitshow is a lose-lose gambit, as the number of 'no longer jabbed (enough)' is only going to grow over time.
At this time, my guess is that the insistence on getting jabbed now is simply to avoid being seen to have wasted public money (it's all about optics, here) on these jabs; on the other hand, there's also the notion of non-enforcement of the mandate, which the current draft legislation specifically envisions: we'll see in spring, meaning: everyone knows this won't get enforced (that is, unless the Green fundamentalists get their say).
Is the vaccination business really a net loss, in monetary terms, for Germany? Biontec's revenue is said to account for 1/5 or something of Germany's GDP increase.
And the number of unvaccinated adults in Germany will, at some point, grow again. First to be outcast will be un-boostered J&J (as is already the case in Austria), then un-boostered mrna.
@cm17874
I am not German but you are, oder?
Can you see something like my above suggestion gaining traction in DE?
For me it is obvious, but most I talk to are very wary of the idea.
(Hence my insistence we must start talking about it now, in advance..)
Yes, I'm German. Action like this seems unlikely to happen on a larger scale around here. If we wanted to protest in the afternoon we would work like a dog in the morning in order to fulfill our duties.
"Now, I fully expect to obtain a ‘recovered certificate"
Don't be too presumptuous. An unvaccinated guy on Telegram, John Adams, whose wife is giving the ultimatum that he must attend her delivery. But he won't be vaccinated. He got some mild "symptoms" so he expected to be PCR positive. To be sure, he got tested twice on separate days. Both results returned NEGATIVE! LOL! To add insult, the second result came on the 8th day following the test.
Get well soon! You probably caught Omicron, which, by all accounts, is basically a bad cold. I was quite ill for two weeks (and then weak for another two weeks) back when I caught COVID (presumably Delta) back in October. I couldn't see a doctor even when I was quite ill (quarantine), and it took a week before I even managed to talk to one (I've dumped the clinic in question, and I'll need to find another doctor soon). Isn't it fascinating how, suddenly, doctors won't see sick people? Although if you feel *very* ill, you're allowed to hop on the public transportation to go to a hospital. Totally makes sense (ahem).
Ha, thanks a lot.
Isn't it strange: we all get to fork over health/social insurance taxes, but once we'd need them (Covid), no doctor will see anyone.
Thus follow, logically, the question about the healthcare system in general: it's not about the (wrong dichotomy) of 'private' vs. 'socialised' medicine, it's about these social services in principle.
As to the kafkaesque notions you describe: I wish that would be better over here or elsewhere. The one thing anyone can do is find a doctor who still practices 'the art of medicine' and pay cash.
Are people in Norway generally taking vitamin D supplements? Are these maybe even in some foods, as in Finland?
To my knowledge, Sweden and parts of the UK 'fortify' some basic staples, such as milk, grain, and the like.
As to the fish liver oil, yes, that's quite wide-spread, but since I don't the former or milk (with or without vitamin D supplements), there's not much else to do, isn't it?!
As to the ginger tea, well, it's vitamin C (also makes me drink less coffee) and, honest to God, I actually like the taste. As an aside, I don't know many Austrians who also like ginger tea (which in my book is just raw ginger with hot water).
It is a common practice to take fish liver oil every morning the months that have an R in the name, like in English from September to April. That dose will give you 10 ug of D vitamin. Apart from that I am not aware of anything else.
You can also buy milk with D vitamin, but you have to drink more than anybody does in order to get a meaningful dose.
You also have to remember that our host is Austrian, so he takes weird ginger tea.
Interesting! As a child, I also had my daily dose of "Lebertran", and I actually liked it! The practice seems to have more or less died out here in Germany.
Get well soon!
And don't bet too much on your "recovery certificate". Two days ago, the RKI announced (not really publicly, but somewhere on their website) that, henceforth, such certificates will not be valid for six months anymore. No, not five. No, not four. THREE! Which means basically TWO, because you can get one only 28 days after your positive PCR test. And that's not a political decision but a purely bureaucratic one. At the same time, Switzerland extended validity of certificates from six to twelve months. The gods of THE SCIENCE are battling in heaven.
Yeah, I came down with omicron as well. What seems to be happening to 4-5 days of getting back to normal, then a relapse and go through it all over again. Some people online says they don't test positive until after the relapse. Anyway, symptoms are mostly tiredness, some chills, non-consecutive days of brain fog/headaches. Lungs clear. I didn't start coughing until after the relapse. Weird. Hope you and your family feel better soon.
Huhum, I'm glad you made it through without many difficulties.
Still, we'll see how my 'case' turns out. That said, we spent 3.5 hours in the car to get PCR-swabbed. Never saw a doctor, never got a diagnosis.
This is so sick and seriously wrong: why would I like to pay for (socialised or privatised) healthcare if I don't get to see a doctor?
Have you tried drdropin.no or similar? It is what I was going to try. If things keep going as they do I guess is by the end of the week.
I had not thought about that recovered certificate. I had thought of avoiding the PCR test. It is a good idea.
Hi BillyB, thanks for the wishes.
Don't take me wrong: but this 'Covid'-thingy is like a cold; actually, it's less annoying than a cold, symptom-wise (it's way more annoying in terms of the shitshow masquerading as public policy, though).
There's another comment further down below, which trashed the notion of testing. I concur. The one and only reason I took a test yesterday was to 'share the burden' (because our elder daughter hates these things, and we make her take them so that she may talk about it in school, however casually, if asked).
I took a grand total of 6 PCR tests (all of them related to travel, 4 work-related and the other 2 vacation-related), because the darned airlines won't let you board without one. I also did some 3 rapid tests. Mind you, these are 'cumulative totals' for the entire 'pandemic'.
Re the 'recovered' status: well, that's the only thing that matters to me, for this will allow me to 'casually' note my 'Covid Survivor' status (/sarcasm).
Re the 'reason' behind the PCR tests: it's entirely obvious that this additional certification will remain the one reason behind its existence beyond spring 2022. Imagine the arbitrary power this affords to whoever manufactures these tests, to those who certify them (public health authorities), and to those who enforce them (police).
I would imagine that governments in the EU/EEC will follow whatever stupid 'rule' coming out of 'Brussels', and the mandatory PCR-tests for 'international travel' will remain in force in the long(er) term, even if 'national' containment measures will either be abrogated, ignored, or gradually converted into 'dead law'.
Long story short: there's going to be a 'bifurcation' ahead of us--more and more 'vaccine' failure will make governments impose ever-harsher 'limitations' (all must be PCR-tested) on a range of issues, which will be 'sold' as 'we never promised these vaccines would be 100% effective, and to counter these unfortunate problems, it's PCR tests for everyone', with perhaps some scapegoating of the 'unvaccinated' to boot.
As I said, this entire Covid-19-charade is a political issue, and as such it won't have any non-political 'resolution'.