This just in, courtesy of state broadcaster NRK, incl. a (projected) warning that 'religious extremism' is 'destroying their people'--he means Palestinians, yet it also applies to Israelis
While Beilin doesn't seem to be a friend of "Bibi", there are other reasons western nations are clinging to the illusion of a two-state solution:
One obvious is oil and shipping/transports through the arab-controlled areas. Israel isn't a factor in this at all and is - as a nation - unimportant re: transportation and logistics between West and East.
The less obvious issue is of course that in western democracies, all votes count the same, and jews are few and far between while arabs and other moslems are everywhere nowadays, and all main-stream parties /must/ pander to the moslem vote to stand any chance.
In Sweden, about 65% of Middle Eastern migrants bother to vote, and of those 65%, ca 85% or more vote Socialist Democrat or Communist, ticking the boxes of people from the same clans or regions they themselves come from, and voting according to the instructions issued by clan leaders and imams (this has been documented several times for ca twenty years, including clan members supervising voting to ensure everyone picks the selceted party/candidate).
Therefore, in accordance with the tenets of capitalism and democracy, the jews can "go hang" to be vulgar about it.
Beilin knows this, but it cannot be spoken out loud; it would infuriate anyone in the West sympathetic to him, his nation and their cause. We don't like to see how the sausage is made, after all.
Fair points, esp. the 'friends-of-Bibi' part. This is the umpteenth of such articles on NRK, incl. quite a bit of coverage of what a team of Norwegian physicians in Gaza's last hospital is doing (and seeing). My impression is that there's quite a bit of contrasting reporting going on, incl. providing space for 'artists' (from Norway) who call for the banning of Israel from this year's Eurovision Song Contest because of 'aggression' and 'genocide' like Russia is doing.
As regards the two issues you mentioned specifically, I'm unsure if either is 'true' (in the sense of them being *that* important): I suspect the issue re transportation is more like Israel as outpost/forward deployment base, which also was, historically, the reason for both the USSR and the US recognising Israel swiftly--as both superpowers were keen on taking over from Britain's hegemonic position in the Middle East after WW2. I don't think anything has changed in this regard.
The other one about voting, well, sure, I see that point, but I'm somewhat doubtful (to put it mildly) that the (Jewish) votes and 'support' in, say, New York and LA are less important to the 'DC Blob' than those votes of US citizens with a Middle East/Islamic background. Assuming one person, one vote is, of course, the ideal, but we all know that the (careful, these are stereotypes for the sake of the argument), say, Bangladeshi hot dog vendor's concerns don't weigh nearly as heavy as those of Goldman Sachs or 'Hollywood'.
That said, I'm in full support of your concluding paragraph:
'Beilin knows this, but it cannot be spoken out loud; it would infuriate anyone in the West sympathetic to him, his nation and their cause. We don't like to see how the sausage is made, after all.'
If only because it's not 'just' fury that would come to the fore, but it would, and most powerfully so, all but guarantee massive levels of cognitive dissonance due to all the things we're been told/learned in schools since 1945 about, well, WW2 and its evil protagonists.
"The other one about voting, well, sure, I see that point, but I'm somewhat doubtful (to put it mildly) that the (Jewish) votes and 'support' in, say, New York and LA are less important to the 'DC Blob' than those votes of US citizens with a Middle East/Islamic background."
Make that "yet", for the US. Give it ten years, and demographics will have changed making the trend obvious. Compare it to Malml in Sweden:
In the 1980s, swedish neo-nazis tossing the carcass of a piglet into the synagogue caused national outrage for weeks, marches in support of jews were held, et cetera. The act was universally reviled. The moslem population of Sweden at the time was less than 1%, somewhat higher in Malmö - around 7%ish.
In the mid-1990s, the moslem population (adults) in Malmö was closer to 15%. Jews started to be harassed for wearing the Star of David, and the synagogue had to hire private security because it was denied police protection 24/7.
In the early 2000s, Malmö had ca 30% moslem population. The synagogue had around the clock security after attempted bombings, arson, cars driving by and people throwing bottles from them, and so on. Jews could be assaulted for being "outed" as jews and a jewish colleague of my wife had to quit her teaching position due to harassment from students and protests from parents.
And it barely, if ever made the news. Instead, Socialist Democrat and communist politicians started to publicly blame swedish jews for the policies of the state of Israel.
Today, Malmö is virtually Judenrein, had been since ca 2010.
I see no reason at all this won't happen in the US: there are severla important and prominent jewish families in Sweden's media and economy just as in the US - it hasn't helped any. 100 000 moslem votes trumps 100 jewish ones no matter the money, because when moslems don't get their way, they use violence. And moslems rioting looks bad for the multikulti open-borders agenda. Not to mention their home nations will create trade/finance/business-related problems for companies of states not kow-towing enough to islam.
It's even easier that that:
While Beilin doesn't seem to be a friend of "Bibi", there are other reasons western nations are clinging to the illusion of a two-state solution:
One obvious is oil and shipping/transports through the arab-controlled areas. Israel isn't a factor in this at all and is - as a nation - unimportant re: transportation and logistics between West and East.
The less obvious issue is of course that in western democracies, all votes count the same, and jews are few and far between while arabs and other moslems are everywhere nowadays, and all main-stream parties /must/ pander to the moslem vote to stand any chance.
In Sweden, about 65% of Middle Eastern migrants bother to vote, and of those 65%, ca 85% or more vote Socialist Democrat or Communist, ticking the boxes of people from the same clans or regions they themselves come from, and voting according to the instructions issued by clan leaders and imams (this has been documented several times for ca twenty years, including clan members supervising voting to ensure everyone picks the selceted party/candidate).
Therefore, in accordance with the tenets of capitalism and democracy, the jews can "go hang" to be vulgar about it.
Beilin knows this, but it cannot be spoken out loud; it would infuriate anyone in the West sympathetic to him, his nation and their cause. We don't like to see how the sausage is made, after all.
Fair points, esp. the 'friends-of-Bibi' part. This is the umpteenth of such articles on NRK, incl. quite a bit of coverage of what a team of Norwegian physicians in Gaza's last hospital is doing (and seeing). My impression is that there's quite a bit of contrasting reporting going on, incl. providing space for 'artists' (from Norway) who call for the banning of Israel from this year's Eurovision Song Contest because of 'aggression' and 'genocide' like Russia is doing.
As regards the two issues you mentioned specifically, I'm unsure if either is 'true' (in the sense of them being *that* important): I suspect the issue re transportation is more like Israel as outpost/forward deployment base, which also was, historically, the reason for both the USSR and the US recognising Israel swiftly--as both superpowers were keen on taking over from Britain's hegemonic position in the Middle East after WW2. I don't think anything has changed in this regard.
The other one about voting, well, sure, I see that point, but I'm somewhat doubtful (to put it mildly) that the (Jewish) votes and 'support' in, say, New York and LA are less important to the 'DC Blob' than those votes of US citizens with a Middle East/Islamic background. Assuming one person, one vote is, of course, the ideal, but we all know that the (careful, these are stereotypes for the sake of the argument), say, Bangladeshi hot dog vendor's concerns don't weigh nearly as heavy as those of Goldman Sachs or 'Hollywood'.
That said, I'm in full support of your concluding paragraph:
'Beilin knows this, but it cannot be spoken out loud; it would infuriate anyone in the West sympathetic to him, his nation and their cause. We don't like to see how the sausage is made, after all.'
If only because it's not 'just' fury that would come to the fore, but it would, and most powerfully so, all but guarantee massive levels of cognitive dissonance due to all the things we're been told/learned in schools since 1945 about, well, WW2 and its evil protagonists.
"The other one about voting, well, sure, I see that point, but I'm somewhat doubtful (to put it mildly) that the (Jewish) votes and 'support' in, say, New York and LA are less important to the 'DC Blob' than those votes of US citizens with a Middle East/Islamic background."
Make that "yet", for the US. Give it ten years, and demographics will have changed making the trend obvious. Compare it to Malml in Sweden:
In the 1980s, swedish neo-nazis tossing the carcass of a piglet into the synagogue caused national outrage for weeks, marches in support of jews were held, et cetera. The act was universally reviled. The moslem population of Sweden at the time was less than 1%, somewhat higher in Malmö - around 7%ish.
In the mid-1990s, the moslem population (adults) in Malmö was closer to 15%. Jews started to be harassed for wearing the Star of David, and the synagogue had to hire private security because it was denied police protection 24/7.
In the early 2000s, Malmö had ca 30% moslem population. The synagogue had around the clock security after attempted bombings, arson, cars driving by and people throwing bottles from them, and so on. Jews could be assaulted for being "outed" as jews and a jewish colleague of my wife had to quit her teaching position due to harassment from students and protests from parents.
And it barely, if ever made the news. Instead, Socialist Democrat and communist politicians started to publicly blame swedish jews for the policies of the state of Israel.
Today, Malmö is virtually Judenrein, had been since ca 2010.
I see no reason at all this won't happen in the US: there are severla important and prominent jewish families in Sweden's media and economy just as in the US - it hasn't helped any. 100 000 moslem votes trumps 100 jewish ones no matter the money, because when moslems don't get their way, they use violence. And moslems rioting looks bad for the multikulti open-borders agenda. Not to mention their home nations will create trade/finance/business-related problems for companies of states not kow-towing enough to islam.