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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

I could not stop laughing when I saw the photo of the Greta cult archaeologist carrying the bundle of sticks.

Look up the definition of a 'bundle of sticks' in English. Then, look for the slang translation of the word. Sometimes the universe presents the most hilarious moments.

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epimetheus's avatar

Thanks so much for this--I fell off my chair.

Talk about life imitating art.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

I am very glad I could contribute to this cultural exchange!

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The BarefootHealer's avatar

I've never understood, why the glaciers were environmentally sacrosanct.

They were held up as evidence of humanity's crimes against nature. Their slow melt, our Scarlett letter! 🤔Strange, particularly when one considers how mountains, rivers, oceans, islands, continents, etc are all made over millennia- constantly moving, ebb and flow. So why are the glaciers required to be static? Held up as a symbol of our trangressions🤔🤔😐🤦‍♀️

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Laughing Goat's avatar

Because a glacier is a beautiful thing but the rubble it leaves behind when it retreats is ugly. It is natural to feel sad at the sight.

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epimetheus's avatar

I think it's because it melts literally before it our eyes, hence it's a useful (discursive, or performative) bludgeon that cannot be questioned: once gone, it's your fault, and there's no way of 'falsifying' that hypothesis, hence it's not science.

But it's extremely useful for virtue-signalling because of *that* quality.

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John (jc) Comeau's avatar

The "bronze age" is now "prehistory"? I've always taken that word to mean paleolithic age and older. Guess I'll have to google it...

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John (jc) Comeau's avatar

OK, I guess it fits in this case, as Wikipedia states: "The use of symbols, marks, and images appears very early among humans, but the earliest known writing systems appeared c. 5,000 years ago. It took thousands of years for writing systems to be widely adopted, with writing spreading to almost all cultures by the 19th century. The end of prehistory therefore came at very different times in different places, and the term is less often used in discussing societies where prehistory ended relatively recently."

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epimetheus's avatar

My personal impression was that 'prehistory' is whatever happened before writing.

Be that as it may, if these Bronze Age people were up there frequently, we might need to reassess 'history' and 'prehistory', too.

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Rikard's avatar

You might enjoy this article from Archeology (a publication of the Archaeological Institute of America) then?

https://www.archaeology.org/issues/213-features/4326-cuneiform-the-world-s-oldest-writing

The article is long, using internet-measures for such things, but a real good primer on cuneiform, the oldest known system of writing. Interestingly enough, cuneiform wasn't a language but a system, much in the same way our modern western letters are not tied to a specific language.

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Mark's avatar

The problem is that you need common sense in order to understand the implications......unless, of course, you’re job requires you to ignore the implications of your work.....

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epimetheus's avatar

Somehow, a well-known quote by a certain Upton Sinclair comes to mind…

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Mark's avatar

It also occurred to me while I was typing the above comment :)

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Rikard's avatar

What is perplexing is that in the 1950s up until the 1980s, it was regularly taught in schools here that during the Stone Age and especially the Bronze Age, it was warm enough that you could grow grapes in Mälardalen in Sweden - that's at 59 North, roughly, and is the lowlands surrounding Lake Mälaren.

Meaning the annual mean must have been too high for proper glaciers, so the archeologists can't have thought glaciers have been around for more than 1 000 to 1 500 years or so (which in turn is consistent with virtually all other archeological finds in Scandinavia).

I'd wager that said archeologists know full well that the media truth-version of climate theory is complete and utter bogus, but they also know equally well on what side their bread is buttered, so must "hålla god min i elakt spel" (keep a straight face despite knowing better, roughly translated).

I base this assumption on people I know in swedish academia: you must pay lip service to climate change, feminazism and the "whites evil - darkies good"-racism, or you're out out out.

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Run Freedom Run's avatar

Climate change does not spell something existential for mankind but the floods and fires do end the existence of countless lives with worse to come. One cannot visit countries at any time of year that are thousands of miles from home without planning for existential emergencies that travellers cannot control, from which we cannot find shelter. But life goes on and no one unaffected by the fires and massive flooding can talk about the death of victims endlessly. No insurance company and no government can realistically compensate. The ecologists are not fools even if politics makes foolishness out of everything it gets its hand on.

Off your topic here: I was wondering if the people of post-WWI Austria would of course be familiar with the breathtaking views of nature that I have witnessed on film, (yes with extraordinary cinematography) in "Der Pass" ? I don't think we have anything as stunning even in the Pacific Northwest of North America because the Canadian Rockies are much younger mountains than the Alps. I was also struck by the amount of mythology from witches to catastrophes to the Virgin Mary in "Sagen aus dem Zillertal, Tirol". I am on a mountain trek of the mind searching for meine Mutter, by seeing her through what she loved - that is my archeological quest.

I also enjoy wasting time theorizing that these mountains which protected inhabitants from outsiders also insulated them from the JudeoChristian and ancient Greek developments aka Western Civilization, leaving them more prone to paganism which leads to the occult and the demonic - which we have quite a resurgence of since the world wars.

https://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/oesterreich/tirol/zillertal/sagen_zillertal.htm

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Witzbold's avatar

@fackel of interessant for you:

https://www.butenunbinnen.de/nachrichten/bremerhaven-awi-expedition-polarstern-boetius-100.html

"Eigentlich hatten die Forscherinnen und Forscher an Bord mit dem Schlimmsten gerechnet, was das Meereis angeht. "Wir waren unterwegs mit dramatischen Vorzeichen: Hitzewellen im Atlantik, beginnendes El Nino (Anm. d. Red.: Klimaschwankungen), der heißeste globale Sommer der Erde aller Zeiten", erzählt Boetius."

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