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Re: the German-failing Afghan

Keep in mind, too, that A1 level is a very low level. *Very* low. You can do next to nothing with it. I mean, sure, you can tell people what your name is, where you're from, and a few other such tidbits, but that's kind of it. In other words, even those who pass with flying colors are woefully underprepared for functioning in a German-speaking country. Alas, getting to that low level may very well take a couple hundred hours of study (it depends on the student and the study program), which can seem quite daunting to little-educated people. So, the question becomes: is it the Afghan's fault, or is it Austria's fault for thinking he was assimilation material?

I see no good options for handling any of this, except to say: when you're in a hole, it's generally a good idea to stop digging. As in: maybe stop letting in so many people?

Re: the (non-)working Ukrainians

For better or for worse, when people move to another country, they generally end up in jobs they're overqualified for. Yes, there are exceptions, and those exceptions tend to be either (a) very young people, or (b) people who moved to the new country on a work visa, having already secured a job that matches their qualifications. Other immigrants generally suffer relative downward mobility, though they may end up materially better off. (*) It is what it is. Generally speaking, it is still better to work than not to work. Of course, if the receiving country already has a high level of unemployment, then a massive influx of people will exacerbate the situation. Is this the case in Norway?

In any case, you/we can probably expect many more Ukrainians. Here's a prediction: Russia will invest in and ultimately rebuild the areas it annexes, and so some people from Eastern Ukraine may end up going back, though most will not, and no Western country will force them to go live in a Putler-occupied territory (even after Putler's long dead). However, Western Ukraine will remain a permanent basket-case, and it'll keep hemorrhaging population. Sometimes I think this was all on purpose: provoke a war in order to get a large number of people from a (relatively) culturally similar country. But then I say to myself: nah, these people (Ursula and all the rest of them) can't think that far ahead, they simply blundered their way into the situation, and they have no idea what to do now. And so, ordinary Ukrainians will try to make lemonade out of the lemons that they've been dealt, as will the local governments (kudos to Fredrikstad). And let's just hope our betters don't blunder into a mushroom cloud next, with all of us in tow!

(*) Semi-related: once upon a time, I watched some documentary about "poverty in Switzerland." It seemed like an exercise in unintentional comedy. As far as I could tell, most of those poor people had a higher standard of living than perfectly average people in much of the former Eastern Block, to say nothing of Africa and the like. I guess it never occurred to them that a non-Swiss person might watch the thing. But yes, these "poor Swiss" still suffered because they were, indeed, on the bottom of Swiss society, which is painful even when all your material needs are taken care of. Speaking of which: maybe that Afghan would like to live like a "poor Swiss" (or at least like a "poor Austrian," which isn't quite as good, but still)?

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The protests and chaos would go away after protesters and ringleaders were rounded up, deprived of careers and assets, and confined to labour camps for a couple of years. I mean protesters that block legal actions in this case, or in other ways break the law in their struggle.

And no need for flying. Boats can be commandeered, loaded with people and unloaded at Lampedusa, or anywhere along the North African coast.

As for dependents - if you think in terms of fair like you do here, what about what is fair for all the indigenous children? Put them first in the equation instead, since we all know what they'll suffer in a multicultural islamic corporate state.

It can be done, logistically. After the first few very harsh and publicly brutal deportations, most that you want rid of will opt to leave anyway. F.e. offer a grace period of 90 days - anyone ordered to leave who stays on after has all their belongings and assets confiscated, and is confined to a labour camp until they agree to leave.

Meanwhile, the 10%-15% of the African and MENA migrants which are actually law-abiding and well-adjusted will experience no problems, if you base the clean-up on how assimilated someone is, if they are self-supporting, if they have visited the area they "fled" from, if they have criminal convictions, and so on.

Look at the apparatus weaponised for Covid in Austria. Now replace Covid with illegal migrants. It's not harder than that.

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