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Irena's avatar

Ah, yes. Wealth and women. Now take a look at what happened to birth rates in the former Eastern Block in the 1990s (economic hardship) and now in South Korea (high gender inequality). Correlation is not causation, and I very much doubt that wealth per se causes people to have fewer children. No, it's that some things that increase wealth (or have at least done so in recent history), such as urbanization, a loosening of family ties and the concomitant increase in individualism (yes, you show up to work even if your cousin is in serious distress) also cause falling birth rates. If you then pull the rug from under people's feet, birth rates go down even further (see Eastern Europe). Now, in the context of rich countries, those that are more gender equal have higher birth rates than those with relatively high gender inequality (compare Scandinavia with Southern Europe). Why? Because if you force women to choose between a family and a career, a substantial minority will choose the latter (see South Korea and Japan), and those who choose the former do not have enough children to compensate for the latter.

Solid post otherwise. I'm sure endocrine disruptors play a role, both by causing ordinary infertility (hence IVF and such), and by inducing behavioral changes (most of our behavior is due to things that we aren't even aware of, and hormones play a big role).

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Rikard's avatar

Having four kids before age thirty, or having two kids before age forty does make an impact. Plus ca 30 000 abortions per year (Sweden). Plus ftalates, PFAS, hormones and chemicals close enough to hormones to affect the body, plus taxation and housing/real estate market capitalism leading to exhorbitant pricing, plus sperm-and-egg quality, plus more.

All of it fixable, none of it fixable in a liberal capitalist system. I write it like that because Peterson*, as is increasingly the case, is wrong about socialism and fertility and poverty: he is projecting what he wants to be true instead of looking at reality, and is picking examples serving his hypothesis.

Capitalism does not want limits on pollution: the corporations opposes stopping using chemicals that are dangerous to us, such as PFAS (and those are near-impossible to get out of the water cycle, and just won't go away or break down) or DDT back in its day. Or artificial sweeteners. Or birth control pills. Or. . .

The problem of chemicals affecting humans does not care about ideology, since biology and chemistry doesn't.

*If it was true, then affluent and well-organised and highly collectivist pre-christian societies (babylonians, semites, egyptians, indians, et c) would have had low birth rates. They didn't. His perspective is (as is common to all americans and americanised anglo-sphere people) too short and narrow, reasoning as if history starts with the American Revolution.

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