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Irena's avatar

You know, it may be that electricity is currently overpriced, but the general tendency will be for prices to rise and rise and rise. You do not run an industrial civilization on renewables, and non-renewables are just that: non-renewable (unless you can wait a few million years for the renewing to happen, that is).

It's a shame about wind and solar. That stuff is actually quite useful if you do it the right way: just ask the Dutch, who've been using wind for centuries. But that only works on a small scale, for certain types of tasks (e.g. grinding grain), when you can deal with intermittency. It sure helps to have the right kind of climate. These industrial-grade windmills and solar panels (and nuclear power plants, while we're at it, though nuclear is not renewable either) get huge fossil fuel subsidies to build (that would include mining whatever minerals you need for them), maintain, and finally decommission. Try building an industrial-grade windmill, from start to finish (mining included), with only wind inputs! (You can try the same exercise with nuclear, if you feel like it.)

So anyway, it's all a pipe dream. That's what you get when you "marry" two contradictory ideas: (1) industrial civilization is unsustainable, and (2) industrial civilization is non-negotiable.

As for climate change: nothing (useful) will be done about climate change. Every last drop of oil that can economically be extracted and burned will, in fact, be extracted and burned. It's possible that some of the non-economic stuff (the stuff with EROEI of less than 1) will also get extracted and burned, essentially for reasons of vanity and prestige. But anyway, then it's over. The best we can hope for is that it's gradual rather than sudden, because gradual gives you time to adapt...

(Oh, and btw, the last bits of highly concentrated energy will go to the military. The most competitive states will have an air force long after their citizens - or subjects - no longer have a functional power grid.)

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Rick Larson's avatar

I would rather spend my time and finances to reduce my demand and install personal renewable energy devices.

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