As Trump suggests taking over Gaza, serious questions about where its inhabitants might go arise: Israel wants them to go to Europe, and here's how they'll do that
The correct response would be, if we had leaders with spines that is:
1) Gaza becomes part of Israel and all the Gazans become Israeli citizens.
or
2) The USA accepts all the Gazans that want to go there and fast-track their migration and transportation.
or
3) All EU nations will immediately offer to donate surplus military materiels to Gaza and Palestine, and will immediately end all diplomatic and business ties with Israel and put Israel under full embargo, Israeli citizens being barred from entry into the EU no matter what, open full trade with Iran, all accounts of Israeli citizens frozen indefinitely, all Palestinians in the EU to be allowed free passage to Palestine with full import rights to any EU goods, et cetera.
Then, you tell Trump this:
"Pick one, and STFU"
He's a deal-maker. He'll test and see if we're serious, and if he finds out we are, he'll drop this as a hot turd and put pressure on Netanyahu.
While I think you're right about the deal-making, I doubt there's that much wiggle room for the current figurehead in D.C.--the US has little sway over Russia or China, I think, and the next logical target one or two notches down that rung is: Europe.
It's also because Europeans have no leaders that could do 3) as ye ol' anti-semitism shtick will be used without second thoughts (and it is already used ad nauseam by 'our' politicos™, journos™, and experts™ without much regard to anything), and that's well before any EU 'leader™' would say anything. The same, incidentally, applies to anything with regards to US bases in European countries: the hegemon doesn't need to ask.
My guess is that they will be driven out locally to refugee encampments. The US will pay neighbouring countries (ie corrupt politicians, warlords) to take them. Then Israel will decide they are a 'problem' (muh terrorism) and bomb the shit out of them wherever they are.
That is how they will acheive their Greater Israel Project. Just exterminate these people wherever they go in the name of 'safety' while grabbing the land.
Might work in contiguous areas (i.e., the West Bank), but this is quite impractical in regard to Gaza, that is, as long as Egypt won't open the border at Rafah…
Your concluding thought stands, no two ways about that.
I use Israel and the Jews as my litmus-test for "anti-racists":
If Israel is allowed to do XYZ, based in ethnicity, then why do not nation NN have the same right?"
It sends a burr up the ass of Americans and Brits something fierce, it does.
Even more so when it is pointed out that Israel and the USA owes the European nations trillions in compensation for accepting the tens of millions of people their wars shook loose.
Of course; also, no chance to use that argument as media and financial control precludes any such debate of taking place. Neither the US nor Israel will--can--ever concede anything along those lines.
This might happen, I think, if enough Israelis leaving because life will become harder/more insecure over time. Alternatively, if the US stops being totally enthralled by whatever comes from Israel.
Quatar has capacity for more than a million in the hotels it built to host the world cup which, if I can believe what I read on the internet, are mostly empty and unused these days.
I doubt any Arab country will take any Palestinians; they would have had since 1948 to do anything about them, and they didn't make the refugees regular citizens yet…
Too many entities benefit from war and terror in the Middle East, for Trump's plan to pass hurdles in DC but I'm hoping it will. So far he has accomplished more that is good at least for the U S in how many days (?) than the dope before him or the criminal Clintons and elegant Obama could do in how many (?) years. I'm thrilled at the turning upside down of DC and the nomination of RFK Jr for whom I volunteered for the past 1.5 years. They have more tricks up their sleeve - so many that the roll out has to be done with some caution. What's coming will be good for world health and the climate. I know - unbelievable.
Of course, which is also why this shit-show will continue.
As to domestic US politics, well, I hope some good will at least come out of this for Americans; for us who dwell in vassal states (sic), I doubt there will be significant changes, with perhaps the US doubling and quadrupling down pressurising 'us' being the rather likely outcome.
Ah, the chutzpah! If I were Anti-Semitic I might believe that Jews wish to destroy Europe. Of one thing I am sure, the Empire is working hard on increasing Anti-Semitism everywhere. Not a good thing.
You are correct in that they will eventually do the same with the West Bank Palestinians. The western countries have long ago lost their sovereignties. This includes all countries, including the US. Just witness the obsequious members of US Congress cheering all words in Netanyahu speech, applauding even lying words Netanyahu did not wanted cheered. Cheering is reflexive, from political "representatives" of American people. I think robots would be more independent. https://www.youtube.com/live/2v_YL_GPdsg?si=iU2577EM5J1yvDPh
Western Empire is an empire of Big Money in which members of the tribe play a most critical role and wield enormous influence. Zionism is clearly an imperial tool but it also stands on its own. It is now exceedingly hard to separate the interest of the Empire and Israel’s. There are so many touching points that create a sense of congruency. It is impossible to tell when an action is Israel’s and when it is Empire’s. Big Money behind the British Empire took over the US a long time ago, used the accumulated wealth of the USA, creating first Anglo-American Empire and then the current Western Empire. The last American president was JFK, perhaps Nixon. All others are Imperial puppets, including the current clown.
Our biggest problems is that we cannot imagine that those truly ruling us have nothing but disdain for us. They want most of us dead and the rest enslaved. Everything else they are doing is just contributing to their ultimate goals. As the Rulers moved their action into globalist supra national domain, their interests have utterly diverged from the interest of the rest of us. The logical conclusion must be that when they act in their own interests they must act in opposition to our interests. Unvarnished reality around us proves this beyond any doubt, but unfortunately most of us are too damaged to notice our reality.
How can anyone defend against an enemy they cannot even discern? We are incapable of asking existentially important questions! How can we have any answers? Justified anger and discontent is too easily guided into most destructive emotional responses - from AntiSemitism and racism, to lunatic Left’s wokism and transgender fantasies. We no longer have a critical mass of people who can think for themselves and we no longer have elites who while defending their interests, also defend the Civilization. And so, yes, barring some fundamental change, they can do anything to us, carefully calibrated so that it does not engender any such changes. If they wanted they could empty Gaza and we will just take it because we are conditioned to take it. COVID proves this to us and Gaza genocide proves this conditioning.
I don’t believe they will empty out Gaza but they will be able to achieve most of their goals short of that, and most of us will take that like a triumph of our "resistance". We end up doing what they wanted to us to do! Empire advances through a series of Marxist style dialectics - Empire creates both thesis and antithesis and then manages the desired synthesis. Empire creates its own reality using Magic!
Oh, well, as to the final paragraph, I suppose two things may be deduced: I suppose a small share will be permitted to stay, at least someone needs to do the menial labour in the new resorts…relatedly, if what you write is true (which I, by and large, think it is), it merely pulls the curtain away from the de facto Bolsheviks running 'the West' since 1945, and, yes, these are 'Western' Bolsheviks, not your 'old-school' Soviet garden variety.
The correct response would be, if we had leaders with spines that is:
1) Gaza becomes part of Israel and all the Gazans become Israeli citizens.
or
2) The USA accepts all the Gazans that want to go there and fast-track their migration and transportation.
or
3) All EU nations will immediately offer to donate surplus military materiels to Gaza and Palestine, and will immediately end all diplomatic and business ties with Israel and put Israel under full embargo, Israeli citizens being barred from entry into the EU no matter what, open full trade with Iran, all accounts of Israeli citizens frozen indefinitely, all Palestinians in the EU to be allowed free passage to Palestine with full import rights to any EU goods, et cetera.
Then, you tell Trump this:
"Pick one, and STFU"
He's a deal-maker. He'll test and see if we're serious, and if he finds out we are, he'll drop this as a hot turd and put pressure on Netanyahu.
While I think you're right about the deal-making, I doubt there's that much wiggle room for the current figurehead in D.C.--the US has little sway over Russia or China, I think, and the next logical target one or two notches down that rung is: Europe.
It's also because Europeans have no leaders that could do 3) as ye ol' anti-semitism shtick will be used without second thoughts (and it is already used ad nauseam by 'our' politicos™, journos™, and experts™ without much regard to anything), and that's well before any EU 'leader™' would say anything. The same, incidentally, applies to anything with regards to US bases in European countries: the hegemon doesn't need to ask.
My guess is that they will be driven out locally to refugee encampments. The US will pay neighbouring countries (ie corrupt politicians, warlords) to take them. Then Israel will decide they are a 'problem' (muh terrorism) and bomb the shit out of them wherever they are.
That is how they will acheive their Greater Israel Project. Just exterminate these people wherever they go in the name of 'safety' while grabbing the land.
Might work in contiguous areas (i.e., the West Bank), but this is quite impractical in regard to Gaza, that is, as long as Egypt won't open the border at Rafah…
Your concluding thought stands, no two ways about that.
I use Israel and the Jews as my litmus-test for "anti-racists":
If Israel is allowed to do XYZ, based in ethnicity, then why do not nation NN have the same right?"
It sends a burr up the ass of Americans and Brits something fierce, it does.
Even more so when it is pointed out that Israel and the USA owes the European nations trillions in compensation for accepting the tens of millions of people their wars shook loose.
Of course; also, no chance to use that argument as media and financial control precludes any such debate of taking place. Neither the US nor Israel will--can--ever concede anything along those lines.
This might happen, I think, if enough Israelis leaving because life will become harder/more insecure over time. Alternatively, if the US stops being totally enthralled by whatever comes from Israel.
Quatar has capacity for more than a million in the hotels it built to host the world cup which, if I can believe what I read on the internet, are mostly empty and unused these days.
I doubt any Arab country will take any Palestinians; they would have had since 1948 to do anything about them, and they didn't make the refugees regular citizens yet…
Some of them have already been settled in Chechnya https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/18/palestinian-refugees-to-assemble-jihad-mobiles-for-chechen-military-a84884
Ah, good point, I haven't had that one on the radar, thanks for pointing me to it!
Too many entities benefit from war and terror in the Middle East, for Trump's plan to pass hurdles in DC but I'm hoping it will. So far he has accomplished more that is good at least for the U S in how many days (?) than the dope before him or the criminal Clintons and elegant Obama could do in how many (?) years. I'm thrilled at the turning upside down of DC and the nomination of RFK Jr for whom I volunteered for the past 1.5 years. They have more tricks up their sleeve - so many that the roll out has to be done with some caution. What's coming will be good for world health and the climate. I know - unbelievable.
Of course, which is also why this shit-show will continue.
As to domestic US politics, well, I hope some good will at least come out of this for Americans; for us who dwell in vassal states (sic), I doubt there will be significant changes, with perhaps the US doubling and quadrupling down pressurising 'us' being the rather likely outcome.
I hope I'm wrong, but only time will tell.
Ah, the chutzpah! If I were Anti-Semitic I might believe that Jews wish to destroy Europe. Of one thing I am sure, the Empire is working hard on increasing Anti-Semitism everywhere. Not a good thing.
Setting aside what you wrote (which is clearly visible), what do you think about my how-to consideration, if I may ask?
You are correct in that they will eventually do the same with the West Bank Palestinians. The western countries have long ago lost their sovereignties. This includes all countries, including the US. Just witness the obsequious members of US Congress cheering all words in Netanyahu speech, applauding even lying words Netanyahu did not wanted cheered. Cheering is reflexive, from political "representatives" of American people. I think robots would be more independent. https://www.youtube.com/live/2v_YL_GPdsg?si=iU2577EM5J1yvDPh
Western Empire is an empire of Big Money in which members of the tribe play a most critical role and wield enormous influence. Zionism is clearly an imperial tool but it also stands on its own. It is now exceedingly hard to separate the interest of the Empire and Israel’s. There are so many touching points that create a sense of congruency. It is impossible to tell when an action is Israel’s and when it is Empire’s. Big Money behind the British Empire took over the US a long time ago, used the accumulated wealth of the USA, creating first Anglo-American Empire and then the current Western Empire. The last American president was JFK, perhaps Nixon. All others are Imperial puppets, including the current clown.
Our biggest problems is that we cannot imagine that those truly ruling us have nothing but disdain for us. They want most of us dead and the rest enslaved. Everything else they are doing is just contributing to their ultimate goals. As the Rulers moved their action into globalist supra national domain, their interests have utterly diverged from the interest of the rest of us. The logical conclusion must be that when they act in their own interests they must act in opposition to our interests. Unvarnished reality around us proves this beyond any doubt, but unfortunately most of us are too damaged to notice our reality.
How can anyone defend against an enemy they cannot even discern? We are incapable of asking existentially important questions! How can we have any answers? Justified anger and discontent is too easily guided into most destructive emotional responses - from AntiSemitism and racism, to lunatic Left’s wokism and transgender fantasies. We no longer have a critical mass of people who can think for themselves and we no longer have elites who while defending their interests, also defend the Civilization. And so, yes, barring some fundamental change, they can do anything to us, carefully calibrated so that it does not engender any such changes. If they wanted they could empty Gaza and we will just take it because we are conditioned to take it. COVID proves this to us and Gaza genocide proves this conditioning.
I don’t believe they will empty out Gaza but they will be able to achieve most of their goals short of that, and most of us will take that like a triumph of our "resistance". We end up doing what they wanted to us to do! Empire advances through a series of Marxist style dialectics - Empire creates both thesis and antithesis and then manages the desired synthesis. Empire creates its own reality using Magic!
Oh, well, as to the final paragraph, I suppose two things may be deduced: I suppose a small share will be permitted to stay, at least someone needs to do the menial labour in the new resorts…relatedly, if what you write is true (which I, by and large, think it is), it merely pulls the curtain away from the de facto Bolsheviks running 'the West' since 1945, and, yes, these are 'Western' Bolsheviks, not your 'old-school' Soviet garden variety.
Trotskyites and Zionists have considerable overlap.
Oh, well, that's of course true, and I suppose that the neocon con is among the bigger such schemes ever pulled off…
The overall aim unifies multiple groups.