Personal Forgiveness can and MUST exist alongside Societal Justice. To give a hypothetical example: a woman is raped, but she decides that she will try to forgive the criminal, because otherwise she will be trapped in bitterness and rage. However, this PERSONAL act is entirely separate from the pursuit of justice (a trial and conviction) towards the criminal. What is necessary for the hypothetical rape victim (forgiveness) would be utterly devastating for society if that same victim said "you must let the rapist go free, because I forgave him". In a society in which forgiveness meant no justice for crimes, the criminals would rule and everyone would be constantly victimized.
These monsters think they are clever. By making these matters personal (forgiveness), they hope to distract us from the fact that they belong in the courts (justice).
* N ATO chief Stoltenberg now warns UKR may spiral out of control
* Russia says it is fighting N ato+USA
* Pen tagon tacitly approves UKR escalation via strikes deep into russian territory
* US support of Putschist Kie v's war against Ru ssia now exceeds yearly Rus sian military budget.
* Isra el attacks Syr ia again. (An act of war. For some strange reason, no international outcry)
* Action4assange.com has ways to stop the end of journalism -- if they can 'prosecute' this journalist outside of US jurisdiction, all opinion and reporting, including Substack, will be over.
At some point, with reference to the money figures cited, there will be GAO number-crunchers coming knocking at doors, innocuously asking about the bang for the buck.
As to the final point, well, what about Turkey striking Syria? Same situation, different reaction (and, yep, that's not 'even' about Israel).
The US MIL budget means little in practical terms. Like in that old joke where US was spending millions of dollars to invent a device for writing under water, while Soviets used a pencil. It's all about enriching themselves
If that were not the case, the war would be over by now. However it shows the completely obscene scale of the kabal's diversion of american treasure in this kabuki meat-grinder theatre.
Despite its problems and scandals, the Catholic church seems quite robust to me, and better able than other churches to manage through post-modernity. In particular, it has a long tradition of holding up dogma on one hand, and being pragmatic without talking much about it on the other. For example, gay couples will have no trouble finding a Catholic priest (even one labeled conservative) willing to bless them.
I would bet much less on as-liberal-as-possible evangelicals like the people behind PRO (and their readers). In the long run, the constant riding on the razor's edge between zeitgeist and faith will destroy you.
That said, Spahn is one of the few people in Germany who should thank on his knees for being blessed with Lauterbach as health minister...
Completely disagree. I used to be catholic myself. The Church, not the faith is what we are talking about. That church is on the sloppy way to the globalistic one religion, one church oblivion led by the antipope and his ordained gofers, taking its unaware and unquestioning followers along for a hellish ride. And dogma is to be blamed for this.
We'll see. The "antipope" will turn 88 next week. Ten years from now, he will be gone, together with Klaus Schwab and George Soros. Maybe their successors will walk the same path, but then maybe not.
I am not Catholic, and never was, but spend much time in Catholic space. I grew up in rather fundamentalist evangelical circles, where mappings of scripture to organisations, individuals and events were common (the Catholic church as the Beast; certain people as the Antichrist; our times as the end times). It doesn't work like that. End times come (they really do), but they also go. Beasts rise, and fall. Antichrists appear, and wither. Some of these phenomena might originate from the church(es). Aim to become a saint, no matter what.
Edit: on reflection, I think it was the Catholic church as the Whore, not the Beast. My apologies... :)
Agreed. The main problem--as with many other established religions, too--is that the discrepancy between what is preached, as opposed to what is done, is too wide.
Sure, part of this has to do with 'Modernity', but then again, there's little space for religiosity in society today. The present iteration of Catholicism (and, by extension, most, if not all, other denominations that profess to be 'Christian') is very much a hypocritical association, kept going by deep ties to the state(s) and the like.
I suspect that the institution of 'the Church' will either reform itself and revert to earlier 'norms', or it will wither away. No-one needs different flavours of the same crap (which is to say: the Church isn't icecream).
Personal Forgiveness can and MUST exist alongside Societal Justice. To give a hypothetical example: a woman is raped, but she decides that she will try to forgive the criminal, because otherwise she will be trapped in bitterness and rage. However, this PERSONAL act is entirely separate from the pursuit of justice (a trial and conviction) towards the criminal. What is necessary for the hypothetical rape victim (forgiveness) would be utterly devastating for society if that same victim said "you must let the rapist go free, because I forgave him". In a society in which forgiveness meant no justice for crimes, the criminals would rule and everyone would be constantly victimized.
Amen to that.
What they mean by "forgiveness" is actually lawlessness and lack of accountability. Typical politician
Amen to that.
What a narcissistic, lying, gutless sucker! Not one word in his self-appreciating, boastful eulogy is even close to truth.
And this Catholicism?! He is right there in line with his corrupt, Antichrist and anti-human pope. Disgusting! 🤮
I don’t know if I am missing something in the translation but he comes across a soulless person, a typical euro politicians saying nothing.
Apart from a long string of expletives, this Spahn is the type of person that only ever understands being made an example of.
These monsters think they are clever. By making these matters personal (forgiveness), they hope to distract us from the fact that they belong in the courts (justice).
In other Babylon News:
* N ATO chief Stoltenberg now warns UKR may spiral out of control
* Russia says it is fighting N ato+USA
* Pen tagon tacitly approves UKR escalation via strikes deep into russian territory
* US support of Putschist Kie v's war against Ru ssia now exceeds yearly Rus sian military budget.
* Isra el attacks Syr ia again. (An act of war. For some strange reason, no international outcry)
* Action4assange.com has ways to stop the end of journalism -- if they can 'prosecute' this journalist outside of US jurisdiction, all opinion and reporting, including Substack, will be over.
At some point, with reference to the money figures cited, there will be GAO number-crunchers coming knocking at doors, innocuously asking about the bang for the buck.
As to the final point, well, what about Turkey striking Syria? Same situation, different reaction (and, yep, that's not 'even' about Israel).
The US MIL budget means little in practical terms. Like in that old joke where US was spending millions of dollars to invent a device for writing under water, while Soviets used a pencil. It's all about enriching themselves
If that were not the case, the war would be over by now. However it shows the completely obscene scale of the kabal's diversion of american treasure in this kabuki meat-grinder theatre.
Despite its problems and scandals, the Catholic church seems quite robust to me, and better able than other churches to manage through post-modernity. In particular, it has a long tradition of holding up dogma on one hand, and being pragmatic without talking much about it on the other. For example, gay couples will have no trouble finding a Catholic priest (even one labeled conservative) willing to bless them.
I would bet much less on as-liberal-as-possible evangelicals like the people behind PRO (and their readers). In the long run, the constant riding on the razor's edge between zeitgeist and faith will destroy you.
That said, Spahn is one of the few people in Germany who should thank on his knees for being blessed with Lauterbach as health minister...
Completely disagree. I used to be catholic myself. The Church, not the faith is what we are talking about. That church is on the sloppy way to the globalistic one religion, one church oblivion led by the antipope and his ordained gofers, taking its unaware and unquestioning followers along for a hellish ride. And dogma is to be blamed for this.
We'll see. The "antipope" will turn 88 next week. Ten years from now, he will be gone, together with Klaus Schwab and George Soros. Maybe their successors will walk the same path, but then maybe not.
I am not Catholic, and never was, but spend much time in Catholic space. I grew up in rather fundamentalist evangelical circles, where mappings of scripture to organisations, individuals and events were common (the Catholic church as the Beast; certain people as the Antichrist; our times as the end times). It doesn't work like that. End times come (they really do), but they also go. Beasts rise, and fall. Antichrists appear, and wither. Some of these phenomena might originate from the church(es). Aim to become a saint, no matter what.
Edit: on reflection, I think it was the Catholic church as the Whore, not the Beast. My apologies... :)
Agreed. The main problem--as with many other established religions, too--is that the discrepancy between what is preached, as opposed to what is done, is too wide.
Sure, part of this has to do with 'Modernity', but then again, there's little space for religiosity in society today. The present iteration of Catholicism (and, by extension, most, if not all, other denominations that profess to be 'Christian') is very much a hypocritical association, kept going by deep ties to the state(s) and the like.
I suspect that the institution of 'the Church' will either reform itself and revert to earlier 'norms', or it will wither away. No-one needs different flavours of the same crap (which is to say: the Church isn't icecream).
the "christian" Spahn.
quite willing to burn the (covid) heretics at the stake like the christians used to burn the heretics in former times.
quite not so long ago Spahn would have been an inmate with a pink triangle on his striped camp outfit before he would get incinerated.....