I trust my Doctor as far as I can throw a Grand Piano. So far as I'm concerned, after Covid vaccines - which I refused - he and in fact they, are all in the pay of Big Pharma as representatives of Big Pharma and it is to Big Pharma that their "caring" loyalties now lay - that is self proven by those few "good" Doctors who had their medical qualifications taken away from them, by NOT doing what they were ordered to do, by Big Pharma.
I see my Doctor only when I need to, like never - or to get new prescriptions for old pills I am supposed to take - otherwise I maintain my health myself and refuse all of his assistance - last time I had a blood test was over 4 years ago (to see if my body was running OK) I'm 78 now - going good, going strong.
I trust my doctor cares about his patients. He takes time with us. He listens. He and his wife pray for all the patients scheduled to see him before the doors open.
He never once brought up taking the injections to my husband and me. He discussed them with a friend, who also goes to him, but didn't push them on her or her elderly mother. Unlike other doctors in Puerto Rico, he never refused to see unjabbed patients nor did he require testing before he would see us. (Never even asked for our status, in fact.)
He has admitted to my husband that the injections have turned out to be terrible.
But do I wholeheartedly trust him? Ha ha. No. To err is human. On top of that, my doctor is too trusting of others, and therefore more likely to be duped by the medical powers that be into recommending poor treatment, no matter how much he cares. Best to take whatever he says with a grain of salt.
I stopped going to doctors decades ago. They are good at fixing broken bones, physical traumas, but they are plain bad at keeping you healthy. In fact they are a major cause of illness and death. Iatrocide is probably number one cause of death in all “developed” countries. If you wish to be healthy stay way from medical doctors as much as possible.
No. 1 being that I know where and how to file formal complaints and report malfeasance, malpractice and such.
No. 2 being that I know how to say "No"
No. 3 being that I dare to ask questions until I actually get a comprehensive and informative, provably true answer
No. 4 being that I will not hesitate to say things like "Are you willing to sign a legally binding document to that effect?" when someone seems to ask for or offer up something dodgy (always get orders in writing, as the say)
And as the doctors I see semi-regularly are accustomed to this, there's no problem.
Treat talking to your doctor as you would a door-to-door salesman and I'd say 9 out of 10 problems goes away.
Nope not anymore never going to another doctor again or hospital they’re government and big Pharma puppets and only care about money now not their patients and the hospital isn’t murdering me with Remdesivir/veklury and a ventilator
The train called trust has long left. Confront a doctor with anything more complex than a broken bone or burn soon the painful realization sets in they don’t have a clue but are not shy of cashing in big way, including holistic doctors. Of course, there are some exceptions but chances to find somebody like that are jackpot luck. Medicine is business, who thinks differently is a fool.
My mother was in a lot of pain with arthritis in her spine and prescribed tramadol, alongside paracetamols. Her dosing started off low to max, with diminishing relief. I saw a programme by TV docs, yes, I know! It actually was very enlightening as it showed the constant use of painkillers actually increased pain! Too late for my poor mother but should be a warning to others. My last visit, health check, results of blood test, was recommended statins to reduce cholesterol. I declined. Parting words from doc were "don't forget to phone 999 for ambulance when you have your heart attack." UK GPs get paid a set amount per patient, circa £200 p.a. whether seen or not. Also they work to protocols and if they deviate, get into bother as we've seen with covid. I am now avoiding seeing GP for any "health checks" and will continue my pHARMa free life. An aside, most of the doctors are new ones, only 2 of the original ones remain from when I registered, 30 years ago. The system has changed so much, GP looking at screen, following algorithms, as to how to proceed, not discussing options.
I'm so sorry for what happened to your mother. May she rest in peace.
As to the rest of your posting, well, I happen to know a bunch of GPs and specialist MDs, and none of them seems to be able to think for themselves.
I recall being in a hospital in autumn 2022 (I had a bike accident: broke my helmet, had a concussion, and had to spend the night 'for observation'). Luckily, I was fine, although I'm missing some 20-25 minutes of my life.
At that hospital in Norway, no-one asked about my 'vaccination status'; lots of people asking if I had 'Covid', to which I replied, truthfully, that it was like nothing ('less than a cold') for me (I know it can be different for other people) and that I took 2 Aspirins to dispel the slight headache that I had for about 3 hours or so).
A foreign-born doctor (accent/looks would put him somewhere in the Middle East) came to check on me the next morning. He claimed to be a cardiologist, and he told me--anecdotally, of course--that cardiovascular problems were on the rise in 2022. I asked about compared to, say, the five years before--and he shut up.
Spring '22 they were still testing inpatients. My ex m-i-l had a tumble out of bed. Early 80's with moderate dementia. I was only d-i-l, (ex), who called round to help out. Family decided she should get checked over and took her in. No-one told me until I get the call saying she's unconscious and drugged with morphine and has double pneumonia and is not going to survive. This was 2 weeks after her fall. She tested positive, of course, and no visitors allowed for 10 days. My ex was first to see her, dishevelled, dirty, just left alone. If anyone had told me, I'd have said keep away from the hospital, and I'd have gone to look after her. The heart/vascular probs still happening with pilots, sports people, everyone, really. No-one who took the jabs wants to know they are probable timebombs, and who can blame them unless there is a test and rectifying treatment quickly available?
They never did that here in Norway, although my only 'encounter' with hospitals was on 23 Dec. 2021: my little 4yo daughter was helping cleaning up before Christmas and accidentally dropped the piano chair on her foot.
So, off to the ER we head (after her pain didn't subside during the afternoon)--it was virtually empty, it took some 4 minutes for us to get in; apart from face diapers indoors there was--nothing else. The primary care physician didn't wear a mask, and all went smooth and well.
My kid was find: no broken bones, apparently, plus she got a small plastic unicorn from the ER nurse and some ice cream from us.
As to your last sentence: I have yet to encounter anyone else who remained 'unvaccinated' who regrets that choice; plenty of 'vaxxed' though who are beginning to realise 'issues'.
My doctor is in a family practice with his elderly father (a spritely 70+), who also still treats patients in the practice. So a changing of the guard, but under the tutelage of senior's old hands. Senior is a type of Patch Adams character who exudes warmth and humour to all around him, patients and nurses alike. He is a walking, talking fountain of youth in an aging body, evidently equally aware of the limitations of allopathic medicine and also the power of his positive attitude on health.
Junior is of the new school and dutifully recommended the vax to me but never pushed once I declined. I am older than he and I have the sense that while very self-assured, he recognises the limits of his knowledge. He quickly abandoned masking mania and was open to discussion with me about alternative treatments and protocols for Covid, even prescribing me some medications which I requested (once he had googled to confirm the studies I cited :)
Another anecdotal experience that impressed me was at my last medical when called up his own bloodwork results on the computer screen to show me a sample comparison for my own results and also shared tips about his own precautions regarding sports training when recovering from a flu. Simple human things that show me he doesn't think his medical degree confers him special status.
Anyhow, yes, I trust him, but not blindly. I trust him to respect me and not try to railroad me into any treatments or unnecessary medications. Thanks for raising this topic, which has reminded me to be grateful for having found a good doc.
Complete and total, unsalvageable, collapse in trust. And it encompasses and has now tainted the entire sector, right down to Vets and Dentists.
Apart from their cowardice at refusing to stand together and say “This is wrong”, their savage betrayal of the Public by lying to them, telling them the shots were safe, when they had no idea whether they were safe (and clearly they weren't) was a massive breach of their Hippocratic Oath and a trashing-by-omission of Informed Consent.
If I've been all over this since 2020 (& I'm a layman) they had a professional duty to be just as informed, and they didn't bother.
Apart from ethics and morality, a more critical eye over the last 4 years was revealing of actual skill levels, and just basic intelligence & common sense.
To see them buy into the most ludicrous absurdities was the death knell.
My trust and respect can never now be resurrected.
I don't have a doctor to trust. A couple of years ago (summer 2022), I tried to find a GP to register with. A couple told me they had no capacity until one clinic (a small one, with two GPs) told me "no capacity right now, but we can put you on a waiting list." Okie-dokie, I decided to be put on a waiting list. Waited, oh, two and a half months or so, at which point they invited me to register. And then they asked the follow up question: "have you been vaccinated [sic] against COVID?" When I said "no" (and mentioned that I'd had COVID the previous fall, and even sent them the papers - I know), they suddenly had "no capacity" anymore.
Well. I could try another GP, but the problem is that every time I think about the medical profession, I want to vomit. Does that answer your question, incidentally?
I recall you commenting like that every now and then. I'm unsure if I'm sorry for you not having a GP, because, as willow said, 'the good doctors are all gone now and the only ones left are evil'.
Before the Covid shenanigans I used to spend hundreds of euros every year on health checks, blood tests,etc. But once I saw the behaviour of the past few years I stopped. I figured they would find something ‘wrong’ with me sooner or later and put me on whatever treatment took their fancy or cost the most. Sure if I have a problem I will go to a doctor but I feel preventative medicine is a con.
I figure the medical establishment just wants you unhealthy so they can ply you with ‘treatments’, extracting as much wealth out of you as possible until you die.
The point being, of course, that they all go through a checklist, it seems, of 'prescription pills' (which is, let's face it, MDs 'special' power) and put you on drugs that give them a cut.
The difference to, say, priests is that they at least don't charge you that much.
Im in Melbourne Australia the good doctors are all gone now and the only ones left are evil murderers who care only for their money and material possessions God will catch up with them
In my experience (as someone with chronic illness, probably iatrogenic), the most trustworthy doctors are always those who have personal experience with your illness: either they themselves suffer with it, or have family members with it.
However, this "trust" is not the same as "blind trust" for we are all human (for better and for worse). "Trust" does not mean forgoing personal responsibility. We must remember that a visit to the doctor is called a "consul" - not "obedience" - because the true purpose is to get new information to help us to make informed decisions.
I don't know why people are acting as if MDs are somehow 'special' (they aren't), and most don't even read papers or studies. They just follow orders/guidelines.
It seems to me that a large part of the problem is how the system is organized.
For example, (at least in N. America), medical education is conducted as a high-stress, low-sleep activity - precisely the type of organization that would inhibit critical thinking.
And once they graduate and get a private practice - in Canada, they get about 10-15 min per patient! Pay for a GP is very middle class, and to make that you have to cram in as many patients as you can every day. How much time does that leave for thinking? For exploring? Learning? Researching complex issues? Nope - they have time to write a prescription.
I have an open-minded young GP now. I asked her once about our terrible hospital ER services (I'd spent about 6 hours in the waiting room, then gave up and went to see her). She said, "Tear it down and start all over!"
Most doctors don't like the system, either. But if they want to practice, they have no choice.
It's not the doctors that I blame for all these problems......
I don't trust my GP and treat her like a voodoo priest at best. I self-medicate using reliable sources on naturopathic / TCM websites, send my bloodtests to a lab and consult an orthomolecular therapist using the outcome of these tests (after replacing the "normal values" used by the lab by the better values recommended on the websites).
I happen to know Prof. Dörner as one of my academic teachers in Psychiatry, when I studied Medicine in the 90ies. He was First of all a social psychiatrist. I laude him as a leftist thinker and practitioner with a strong emphasis in increasing his patient's self-reliance and Sense of "Selbstwirksamkeit". IMHO, he didn't rip off his patients.
My 2 cents: working as a clinical gastroenterologist and oncologist in an anthroposophic hospital we strongly emphasize the importance of trust and relationship in therapy and I personally do not hesitate to discuss options frankly, as far the tight scheduled allows.
If the respective ailment is trivial, one can, as has been suggested above, easily behave like a customer toward the wooeing salesman at the door.
If the disease happens to be e.g. cancer, this is different. This relationship is, sorry to say that, not symmetrical in important aspects. You're much more dependant on medical advice. If you disagree, well, good luck with Google...
Mutual trust has to be build, and active mistrust by the patient, let alone mentioning possible legal action, will render the physician defensive. Conflicts of interest should of course get mentioned.
As a rule of thumb, for me, thinking how I would want my next of kin to be treated, works well.
I trust my Doctor as far as I can throw a Grand Piano. So far as I'm concerned, after Covid vaccines - which I refused - he and in fact they, are all in the pay of Big Pharma as representatives of Big Pharma and it is to Big Pharma that their "caring" loyalties now lay - that is self proven by those few "good" Doctors who had their medical qualifications taken away from them, by NOT doing what they were ordered to do, by Big Pharma.
I see my Doctor only when I need to, like never - or to get new prescriptions for old pills I am supposed to take - otherwise I maintain my health myself and refuse all of his assistance - last time I had a blood test was over 4 years ago (to see if my body was running OK) I'm 78 now - going good, going strong.
Sums up my sentiments: well done, Christine!
I trust my doctor cares about his patients. He takes time with us. He listens. He and his wife pray for all the patients scheduled to see him before the doors open.
He never once brought up taking the injections to my husband and me. He discussed them with a friend, who also goes to him, but didn't push them on her or her elderly mother. Unlike other doctors in Puerto Rico, he never refused to see unjabbed patients nor did he require testing before he would see us. (Never even asked for our status, in fact.)
He has admitted to my husband that the injections have turned out to be terrible.
But do I wholeheartedly trust him? Ha ha. No. To err is human. On top of that, my doctor is too trusting of others, and therefore more likely to be duped by the medical powers that be into recommending poor treatment, no matter how much he cares. Best to take whatever he says with a grain of salt.
Good for you and your loved ones when it comes to your GP. I'm glad not all of them sold their souls.
Indeed.
I stopped going to doctors decades ago. They are good at fixing broken bones, physical traumas, but they are plain bad at keeping you healthy. In fact they are a major cause of illness and death. Iatrocide is probably number one cause of death in all “developed” countries. If you wish to be healthy stay way from medical doctors as much as possible.
Also, it's advisable to avoid highly-processed 'food™'.
For several reasons:
No. 1 being that I know where and how to file formal complaints and report malfeasance, malpractice and such.
No. 2 being that I know how to say "No"
No. 3 being that I dare to ask questions until I actually get a comprehensive and informative, provably true answer
No. 4 being that I will not hesitate to say things like "Are you willing to sign a legally binding document to that effect?" when someone seems to ask for or offer up something dodgy (always get orders in writing, as the say)
And as the doctors I see semi-regularly are accustomed to this, there's no problem.
Treat talking to your doctor as you would a door-to-door salesman and I'd say 9 out of 10 problems goes away.
'Treat talking to your doctor as you would a door-to-door salesman and I'd say 9 out of 10 problems goes away.'
That's the way to do it.
Nope not anymore never going to another doctor again or hospital they’re government and big Pharma puppets and only care about money now not their patients and the hospital isn’t murdering me with Remdesivir/veklury and a ventilator
Don't forget their other achievements, incl. the 'treatment' of 'the unvaccinated' in the parking lot, as this one 'family doc' (sic) in Austria did:
https://fackel.substack.com/p/footnote-13-a-family-doctor-in-covidistan
The train called trust has long left. Confront a doctor with anything more complex than a broken bone or burn soon the painful realization sets in they don’t have a clue but are not shy of cashing in big way, including holistic doctors. Of course, there are some exceptions but chances to find somebody like that are jackpot luck. Medicine is business, who thinks differently is a fool.
Exactly.
And, yes, there are reasons to consult a physician, such as a broken arm or if you're caught up in an accident, but other than that: no thanks.
My mother was in a lot of pain with arthritis in her spine and prescribed tramadol, alongside paracetamols. Her dosing started off low to max, with diminishing relief. I saw a programme by TV docs, yes, I know! It actually was very enlightening as it showed the constant use of painkillers actually increased pain! Too late for my poor mother but should be a warning to others. My last visit, health check, results of blood test, was recommended statins to reduce cholesterol. I declined. Parting words from doc were "don't forget to phone 999 for ambulance when you have your heart attack." UK GPs get paid a set amount per patient, circa £200 p.a. whether seen or not. Also they work to protocols and if they deviate, get into bother as we've seen with covid. I am now avoiding seeing GP for any "health checks" and will continue my pHARMa free life. An aside, most of the doctors are new ones, only 2 of the original ones remain from when I registered, 30 years ago. The system has changed so much, GP looking at screen, following algorithms, as to how to proceed, not discussing options.
I'm so sorry for what happened to your mother. May she rest in peace.
As to the rest of your posting, well, I happen to know a bunch of GPs and specialist MDs, and none of them seems to be able to think for themselves.
I recall being in a hospital in autumn 2022 (I had a bike accident: broke my helmet, had a concussion, and had to spend the night 'for observation'). Luckily, I was fine, although I'm missing some 20-25 minutes of my life.
At that hospital in Norway, no-one asked about my 'vaccination status'; lots of people asking if I had 'Covid', to which I replied, truthfully, that it was like nothing ('less than a cold') for me (I know it can be different for other people) and that I took 2 Aspirins to dispel the slight headache that I had for about 3 hours or so).
A foreign-born doctor (accent/looks would put him somewhere in the Middle East) came to check on me the next morning. He claimed to be a cardiologist, and he told me--anecdotally, of course--that cardiovascular problems were on the rise in 2022. I asked about compared to, say, the five years before--and he shut up.
Spring '22 they were still testing inpatients. My ex m-i-l had a tumble out of bed. Early 80's with moderate dementia. I was only d-i-l, (ex), who called round to help out. Family decided she should get checked over and took her in. No-one told me until I get the call saying she's unconscious and drugged with morphine and has double pneumonia and is not going to survive. This was 2 weeks after her fall. She tested positive, of course, and no visitors allowed for 10 days. My ex was first to see her, dishevelled, dirty, just left alone. If anyone had told me, I'd have said keep away from the hospital, and I'd have gone to look after her. The heart/vascular probs still happening with pilots, sports people, everyone, really. No-one who took the jabs wants to know they are probable timebombs, and who can blame them unless there is a test and rectifying treatment quickly available?
They never did that here in Norway, although my only 'encounter' with hospitals was on 23 Dec. 2021: my little 4yo daughter was helping cleaning up before Christmas and accidentally dropped the piano chair on her foot.
So, off to the ER we head (after her pain didn't subside during the afternoon)--it was virtually empty, it took some 4 minutes for us to get in; apart from face diapers indoors there was--nothing else. The primary care physician didn't wear a mask, and all went smooth and well.
My kid was find: no broken bones, apparently, plus she got a small plastic unicorn from the ER nurse and some ice cream from us.
As to your last sentence: I have yet to encounter anyone else who remained 'unvaccinated' who regrets that choice; plenty of 'vaxxed' though who are beginning to realise 'issues'.
My doctor is in a family practice with his elderly father (a spritely 70+), who also still treats patients in the practice. So a changing of the guard, but under the tutelage of senior's old hands. Senior is a type of Patch Adams character who exudes warmth and humour to all around him, patients and nurses alike. He is a walking, talking fountain of youth in an aging body, evidently equally aware of the limitations of allopathic medicine and also the power of his positive attitude on health.
Junior is of the new school and dutifully recommended the vax to me but never pushed once I declined. I am older than he and I have the sense that while very self-assured, he recognises the limits of his knowledge. He quickly abandoned masking mania and was open to discussion with me about alternative treatments and protocols for Covid, even prescribing me some medications which I requested (once he had googled to confirm the studies I cited :)
Another anecdotal experience that impressed me was at my last medical when called up his own bloodwork results on the computer screen to show me a sample comparison for my own results and also shared tips about his own precautions regarding sports training when recovering from a flu. Simple human things that show me he doesn't think his medical degree confers him special status.
Anyhow, yes, I trust him, but not blindly. I trust him to respect me and not try to railroad me into any treatments or unnecessary medications. Thanks for raising this topic, which has reminded me to be grateful for having found a good doc.
Good for you; trust is fine, and to a certain point o.k., I suppose. As long as these folks don't push you into needles…
Nope.
Complete and total, unsalvageable, collapse in trust. And it encompasses and has now tainted the entire sector, right down to Vets and Dentists.
Apart from their cowardice at refusing to stand together and say “This is wrong”, their savage betrayal of the Public by lying to them, telling them the shots were safe, when they had no idea whether they were safe (and clearly they weren't) was a massive breach of their Hippocratic Oath and a trashing-by-omission of Informed Consent.
If I've been all over this since 2020 (& I'm a layman) they had a professional duty to be just as informed, and they didn't bother.
Apart from ethics and morality, a more critical eye over the last 4 years was revealing of actual skill levels, and just basic intelligence & common sense.
To see them buy into the most ludicrous absurdities was the death knell.
My trust and respect can never now be resurrected.
I don't have a doctor to trust. A couple of years ago (summer 2022), I tried to find a GP to register with. A couple told me they had no capacity until one clinic (a small one, with two GPs) told me "no capacity right now, but we can put you on a waiting list." Okie-dokie, I decided to be put on a waiting list. Waited, oh, two and a half months or so, at which point they invited me to register. And then they asked the follow up question: "have you been vaccinated [sic] against COVID?" When I said "no" (and mentioned that I'd had COVID the previous fall, and even sent them the papers - I know), they suddenly had "no capacity" anymore.
Well. I could try another GP, but the problem is that every time I think about the medical profession, I want to vomit. Does that answer your question, incidentally?
I recall you commenting like that every now and then. I'm unsure if I'm sorry for you not having a GP, because, as willow said, 'the good doctors are all gone now and the only ones left are evil'.
It does answer the question, right?
Before the Covid shenanigans I used to spend hundreds of euros every year on health checks, blood tests,etc. But once I saw the behaviour of the past few years I stopped. I figured they would find something ‘wrong’ with me sooner or later and put me on whatever treatment took their fancy or cost the most. Sure if I have a problem I will go to a doctor but I feel preventative medicine is a con.
I figure the medical establishment just wants you unhealthy so they can ply you with ‘treatments’, extracting as much wealth out of you as possible until you die.
The point being, of course, that they all go through a checklist, it seems, of 'prescription pills' (which is, let's face it, MDs 'special' power) and put you on drugs that give them a cut.
The difference to, say, priests is that they at least don't charge you that much.
Im in Melbourne Australia the good doctors are all gone now and the only ones left are evil murderers who care only for their money and material possessions God will catch up with them
In my experience (as someone with chronic illness, probably iatrogenic), the most trustworthy doctors are always those who have personal experience with your illness: either they themselves suffer with it, or have family members with it.
However, this "trust" is not the same as "blind trust" for we are all human (for better and for worse). "Trust" does not mean forgoing personal responsibility. We must remember that a visit to the doctor is called a "consul" - not "obedience" - because the true purpose is to get new information to help us to make informed decisions.
Exactly.
I don't know why people are acting as if MDs are somehow 'special' (they aren't), and most don't even read papers or studies. They just follow orders/guidelines.
It seems to me that a large part of the problem is how the system is organized.
For example, (at least in N. America), medical education is conducted as a high-stress, low-sleep activity - precisely the type of organization that would inhibit critical thinking.
And once they graduate and get a private practice - in Canada, they get about 10-15 min per patient! Pay for a GP is very middle class, and to make that you have to cram in as many patients as you can every day. How much time does that leave for thinking? For exploring? Learning? Researching complex issues? Nope - they have time to write a prescription.
I have an open-minded young GP now. I asked her once about our terrible hospital ER services (I'd spent about 6 hours in the waiting room, then gave up and went to see her). She said, "Tear it down and start all over!"
Most doctors don't like the system, either. But if they want to practice, they have no choice.
It's not the doctors that I blame for all these problems......
I don't trust my GP and treat her like a voodoo priest at best. I self-medicate using reliable sources on naturopathic / TCM websites, send my bloodtests to a lab and consult an orthomolecular therapist using the outcome of these tests (after replacing the "normal values" used by the lab by the better values recommended on the websites).
I happen to know Prof. Dörner as one of my academic teachers in Psychiatry, when I studied Medicine in the 90ies. He was First of all a social psychiatrist. I laude him as a leftist thinker and practitioner with a strong emphasis in increasing his patient's self-reliance and Sense of "Selbstwirksamkeit". IMHO, he didn't rip off his patients.
My 2 cents: working as a clinical gastroenterologist and oncologist in an anthroposophic hospital we strongly emphasize the importance of trust and relationship in therapy and I personally do not hesitate to discuss options frankly, as far the tight scheduled allows.
If the respective ailment is trivial, one can, as has been suggested above, easily behave like a customer toward the wooeing salesman at the door.
If the disease happens to be e.g. cancer, this is different. This relationship is, sorry to say that, not symmetrical in important aspects. You're much more dependant on medical advice. If you disagree, well, good luck with Google...
Mutual trust has to be build, and active mistrust by the patient, let alone mentioning possible legal action, will render the physician defensive. Conflicts of interest should of course get mentioned.
As a rule of thumb, for me, thinking how I would want my next of kin to be treated, works well.