Who would've thought that the pro-injection mandate left-liberal (/irony) media wouldn't sell themselves to advocate for CEPI, the Big Pharma/Gates-and-Wellcome front that advocates universal jabs
What I can't get over is that the adults think they can work/socialise maskless because they are vaccinated. And yet it is clear that vaccination does not prevent infections.
Vaccinations reputedly reduce the risk of severe illness and yet kids already have a virtually zero risk of severe illness regardless of whether they are vaccinated or not.
There remains the fuzzy case of long-covid and this may be more associated with severity of illness but kids don't get severely ill. Besides which, studies claim vaccination reduces the chances of long-covid by most 50% or at worst 0%.
So, if:
it's not to protect the kids from infection;
it's not to protect the kids from severe illness;
it's not to protect the kids from long-covid;
it's not to protect the kids from death;
what exactly is the alleged public health justification for masking kids (mostly commonly cloth or surgical) while permitting politicians and others to work/socialise maskless???
I have no answers for you, with perhaps an odd reference to 'grown-ups hating (their own) kids' as exception.
I'm as flabbergasted as I presume you are, and there's virtually no accountability here.
Much of the masking mania--and its fellow absurdity, i.e., the notion of 'asymptomatic spread/transmission'--harks back to a faulty paper by C. Drosten. Two years later, we know much more about it, and in short: no symptoms, no transmission (before Omicron, unclear yet how that is now), hence the allegation of kids as superspreaders and kindergartens and schools as cesspools of Covid.
Both notions are false, hence we're left to ponder when the adults will end up doing their f***** job of protecting the children again.
Case in point: Ireland.
The Emerald Island has abrogated most mandates, and while adults may now socialise maskless in, say, pubs, many local school districts kept the mask mandates for students.
See if you can spot the logic in this, for I cannot.
I did, but then again, it's not hard to follow the logic that 'kids = future'. Still, I find it odd, to say the least, that even the most narcicistically inclined individuals may require someone to, say, pay into their retirement schemes further down the road.
Apart from all things related to children, the utter incoherence of it all is, well, staggering and it continues to boggle my mind.
Going off on the tangent regarding children, does this work as an explanation?
All throughout history, we have worked not only to have children so we would have help during our final years but also to leave a little more to our children than we got from our parents, on and on one generation after the next.
This held true until the great urbanification during the nineteenth century (dates may vary with nation of course). With industry and capitalism, labour became a commodity and fewer and fewer jobs entailed skill or craft or independence. This combined broke the family unit down to just parents and children, as the rest was often spread out around the nation, or even several nations.
Then came the great wars (as the english would say: "What's so great about them, then?") and the generation born during the forties (roughly). This generation, (especially here in Sweden as we [to our eternal shame according to me] played both sides towards the middle during the last big war) had never experienced starvation, epidemics, or that connection to reality which comes from having no safety net (no welfare society). This also goes for the US, and secular humanism/consumerism and Taylor-esque notions all play to this but that would require a full essay to go into.
Without having experienced needs, only wants, this generation couldn't help but to design society so that it was constantly just right for their financial and emotional wants. Making interest on mortgages tax deductable? No problem, just push payment down the time axis and when you leave the house for your kids, it's still mortgaged to the roof. I use this example to illustrate that for this generation - and even more so their children from the late sixties and early seventies, it's all about want, all about /my/ wants. Psychological and moral maturity of a two year old, really, if I'm to be harsh.
And now, having been the eidolon of "how you're supposed to be" for three, maybe four generations, they are shocked and abhorred when their offspring behave the same way, only even more so.
To make it abuntantly clear: a generation who made it standard practice to, simply for convenience's sake, put away their own elders and parents in nursing homes where they were treated as objects should not be surprised when they get the same treatment.
And that I think is the underlying theme here: they have been /the/ Center of all western societal definitions since 1965 or so, and now they simply cannot fathom that they too are mere mortals.
Sorry if I ramble a bit, but you know what it's like to compress thesis-length threads of reason and thought. Edited for spelling due to sausage fingers.
It was (supposedly) to protect the Grandma and adults, but, yes, as you say, adults (who they "protect") are socializing without masks, while poor children are suffocating in schools. Selfish child abuse, nothing else. I am at a point where I start fearing more ominous intentions vs just plain stupidity and selfishness. With this cruel treatment and their lungs impaired, they will actually become more likely to develop worse covid symptoms which in turn will justify vaxx mandates for kids (will be enough a couple of bad cases of covid which will be all over news). Just unmask your kids and let them breathe.
I agree, that was what politicians and 'experts' alike said. Still, without the 'asymptomatic transmission' this entire charade collapses in a heartbeat.
But it's not 'just' about the children: these politicians and experts have stolen two years from all grandparents and the like as well. Hence, it's not 'just' child abuse (I'm with you on this one), but also 'elder abuse', for I doubt, even though hope dies last, that an octagenarian will have that many chances to hug and play with their grand- or great-grandchildren. It's cruel, heartless, and--completely unfounded in science.
Now, stupidity and ineptitude play a huge role, as evidenced, for instance, in the legacy media of both the state and de facto state garden variety. Like you, I do think there's a good deal of likelihood that 'behind' all of this there's a very malign, if not outright evil, cabal.
As an aside, my children never wore masks, and both my wife and I stopped wearing them after spring 2020.
Outside, however, you still can see many, many people who wear them. Just last week on my way to work (I bike), I saw a person (younger than me, child of the early 1980s) on a bike wearing a face mask. Outside. On a bike.
If not for the grown-ups, I think 'Covid' is morphing more and more into a fight for the future of our children. I know which side of that particular line I'll stand (which, if I dare presume so, is the same side you are, too), and there's nothing and no-one who's going to change my mind.
Yesterday Alexander Soros, the son of George Soros (and a WEF Global Young Leader) was visiting our regime in Covidistan. Interesting timing as tomorrow the regime will discuss Covidistan’s „Freedom Day“. I did not believe this whole WEF, New World Order blahblah for a long time but from day to day I feel more and more like a „tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy believer“.
More news from our insider who has friends in the ministry (sorry for bad English, I am too tired to translate the piece myself, therefore I used deepl which works suboptimally here):
„Immense power struggle in domestic politics before Wednesday's summit !!!
Spectacular Freedom Day in March with abolition of all measures to save the government or over months gradual lifting of the hysteria measures to serve the remaining core electorate of fear psychotics with a view to the new elections ?
Proponents of a preferably spectacular liberation blow , which had the upper hand only a few days ago , become pressurized from the brakemen and procrastinators from some federal states.
Mückstein wants to continue stubbornly , Rendi and Ludwig in the back .
Nehammer has orders from Lower Austria (Mikl-Leitner, the grey eminence of ÖVP) and strongest pressure from the West , where the powerful tourism people want to save Easter tourism .
The Styrians and Vorarlbergers are on the brakes , Burgenland and Carinthia want Freedom Day and stick knives into the backs of the „hysteria steel helmet faction“ in Vienna daily.
Kogler, in his rare sober hours, tactics with new elections or muddling through, and the powerful social partners want everything gone - they know that Austria's economy and labor market are on the ropes and need a liberating blow.
The crack goes through both government parties - who prevails, decides in the next 24 hours.
What the people want - and the people want FREEDOM - once again no one is interested.
At the moment it stands Fifty - Fifty all my sources say. I wouldn’t bet on nothing at the moment.“
Interesting times ahead, I guess. Our politicians behave like two-year olds. Wouldn’t be that bad if 8 million people would not suffer under their regime.
Ha, we'll see about all of this later today, won't we?
Would you mind, by the way, sharing the German-language original with me via email? I'd very much like to read that one while I'll await the régime's decision later today.
Also, as a parent I would like to caution against liking the political hacks to two-year olds: small kids don't do things on purpose (i.e., with premediation), grown-ups do.
Most people, thanks to the media, believe that they care about the "environment."
A few years ago in NSW, Australia, the govt wanted to do some controlled burning during the winter to prevent massive bushfires in the summer. The greens blocked that effort with various means - fair and foul. A few years later NSW suffered devastating bushfires. I did not read of one media story of the greenies volunteered to help fight them.
Same here in Sweden. Watermelons, tree-huggers, and Gröna Khmerer (a pun on the Khmer Rouge, fitting as the swedish green party originally was openly pro-Khmer Rouge and maoist, advocating agrarian communism of the same kind as in Kambodja).
Heard of? Several prominent members of both the green movement (called the Green Wave) and the KFML(r)* and a couple of other communist groups went on several trips there during the genocide.
To exchange comradely greetings and to learn from each other.
Many of these had careers in swedish media, politics and the culture and entertainment sector from the early eighties onwards, including people who openly lauded Stalin for his atrocities.
Heck, at the annual booksellers and author expo (Bokmässan) they hand out a prize called "The Lenin Prize"! Still!
*KFML(r) was one of dozens of communist parties and fighting cells, often with overlapping membership. The acronym means "KommunistFörbundet Marxist-Leninsisterna (revolutionärerna)", roughly "Communist Union of Marxist-Leninists (revolutionary). The (r) separated them from those communists who wanted to take power via elections. The KFML(r) called for armed revolution with Soviet military support.
Most foreigners don't know or realise that Sweden was and still is highly socialist to its core, politically speaking. Even fewer know that the socialist democratic party's eugenics program wasn't shut down until the 1970s. By then, they had aborted, euthanised and sterilised more than 30 000 (and much of the records were burned; it may have been more than 70 000 people).
No of people sent to prison? 0. The by then few survivors were grudgingly awarded a symbolic sum after the year 2000. And for transsexuals wanting to undergo reassignment treatment, sterilisation (including a ban for donating sperm/eggs) was mandatory until 2012.
Sorry (again) for going off on a rant in a tangent but having taught politicial science and history, my nation's history of hypocrisy and its unwillingness to own up to what we did during the last century, well it sticks in my throat like a bone. A chicken bone, broken in half.
You mentioned the kids.
What I can't get over is that the adults think they can work/socialise maskless because they are vaccinated. And yet it is clear that vaccination does not prevent infections.
Vaccinations reputedly reduce the risk of severe illness and yet kids already have a virtually zero risk of severe illness regardless of whether they are vaccinated or not.
There remains the fuzzy case of long-covid and this may be more associated with severity of illness but kids don't get severely ill. Besides which, studies claim vaccination reduces the chances of long-covid by most 50% or at worst 0%.
So, if:
it's not to protect the kids from infection;
it's not to protect the kids from severe illness;
it's not to protect the kids from long-covid;
it's not to protect the kids from death;
what exactly is the alleged public health justification for masking kids (mostly commonly cloth or surgical) while permitting politicians and others to work/socialise maskless???
I have no answers for you, with perhaps an odd reference to 'grown-ups hating (their own) kids' as exception.
I'm as flabbergasted as I presume you are, and there's virtually no accountability here.
Much of the masking mania--and its fellow absurdity, i.e., the notion of 'asymptomatic spread/transmission'--harks back to a faulty paper by C. Drosten. Two years later, we know much more about it, and in short: no symptoms, no transmission (before Omicron, unclear yet how that is now), hence the allegation of kids as superspreaders and kindergartens and schools as cesspools of Covid.
Both notions are false, hence we're left to ponder when the adults will end up doing their f***** job of protecting the children again.
Case in point: Ireland.
The Emerald Island has abrogated most mandates, and while adults may now socialise maskless in, say, pubs, many local school districts kept the mask mandates for students.
See if you can spot the logic in this, for I cannot.
Why, yes. Quite a lot of people hate children. You never noticed before corona struck?
I did, but then again, it's not hard to follow the logic that 'kids = future'. Still, I find it odd, to say the least, that even the most narcicistically inclined individuals may require someone to, say, pay into their retirement schemes further down the road.
Apart from all things related to children, the utter incoherence of it all is, well, staggering and it continues to boggle my mind.
Going off on the tangent regarding children, does this work as an explanation?
All throughout history, we have worked not only to have children so we would have help during our final years but also to leave a little more to our children than we got from our parents, on and on one generation after the next.
This held true until the great urbanification during the nineteenth century (dates may vary with nation of course). With industry and capitalism, labour became a commodity and fewer and fewer jobs entailed skill or craft or independence. This combined broke the family unit down to just parents and children, as the rest was often spread out around the nation, or even several nations.
Then came the great wars (as the english would say: "What's so great about them, then?") and the generation born during the forties (roughly). This generation, (especially here in Sweden as we [to our eternal shame according to me] played both sides towards the middle during the last big war) had never experienced starvation, epidemics, or that connection to reality which comes from having no safety net (no welfare society). This also goes for the US, and secular humanism/consumerism and Taylor-esque notions all play to this but that would require a full essay to go into.
Without having experienced needs, only wants, this generation couldn't help but to design society so that it was constantly just right for their financial and emotional wants. Making interest on mortgages tax deductable? No problem, just push payment down the time axis and when you leave the house for your kids, it's still mortgaged to the roof. I use this example to illustrate that for this generation - and even more so their children from the late sixties and early seventies, it's all about want, all about /my/ wants. Psychological and moral maturity of a two year old, really, if I'm to be harsh.
And now, having been the eidolon of "how you're supposed to be" for three, maybe four generations, they are shocked and abhorred when their offspring behave the same way, only even more so.
To make it abuntantly clear: a generation who made it standard practice to, simply for convenience's sake, put away their own elders and parents in nursing homes where they were treated as objects should not be surprised when they get the same treatment.
And that I think is the underlying theme here: they have been /the/ Center of all western societal definitions since 1965 or so, and now they simply cannot fathom that they too are mere mortals.
Sorry if I ramble a bit, but you know what it's like to compress thesis-length threads of reason and thought. Edited for spelling due to sausage fingers.
It was (supposedly) to protect the Grandma and adults, but, yes, as you say, adults (who they "protect") are socializing without masks, while poor children are suffocating in schools. Selfish child abuse, nothing else. I am at a point where I start fearing more ominous intentions vs just plain stupidity and selfishness. With this cruel treatment and their lungs impaired, they will actually become more likely to develop worse covid symptoms which in turn will justify vaxx mandates for kids (will be enough a couple of bad cases of covid which will be all over news). Just unmask your kids and let them breathe.
Hi MaryJane,
I agree, that was what politicians and 'experts' alike said. Still, without the 'asymptomatic transmission' this entire charade collapses in a heartbeat.
But it's not 'just' about the children: these politicians and experts have stolen two years from all grandparents and the like as well. Hence, it's not 'just' child abuse (I'm with you on this one), but also 'elder abuse', for I doubt, even though hope dies last, that an octagenarian will have that many chances to hug and play with their grand- or great-grandchildren. It's cruel, heartless, and--completely unfounded in science.
Now, stupidity and ineptitude play a huge role, as evidenced, for instance, in the legacy media of both the state and de facto state garden variety. Like you, I do think there's a good deal of likelihood that 'behind' all of this there's a very malign, if not outright evil, cabal.
As an aside, my children never wore masks, and both my wife and I stopped wearing them after spring 2020.
Outside, however, you still can see many, many people who wear them. Just last week on my way to work (I bike), I saw a person (younger than me, child of the early 1980s) on a bike wearing a face mask. Outside. On a bike.
If not for the grown-ups, I think 'Covid' is morphing more and more into a fight for the future of our children. I know which side of that particular line I'll stand (which, if I dare presume so, is the same side you are, too), and there's nothing and no-one who's going to change my mind.
Yesterday Alexander Soros, the son of George Soros (and a WEF Global Young Leader) was visiting our regime in Covidistan. Interesting timing as tomorrow the regime will discuss Covidistan’s „Freedom Day“. I did not believe this whole WEF, New World Order blahblah for a long time but from day to day I feel more and more like a „tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy believer“.
More news from our insider who has friends in the ministry (sorry for bad English, I am too tired to translate the piece myself, therefore I used deepl which works suboptimally here):
„Immense power struggle in domestic politics before Wednesday's summit !!!
Spectacular Freedom Day in March with abolition of all measures to save the government or over months gradual lifting of the hysteria measures to serve the remaining core electorate of fear psychotics with a view to the new elections ?
Proponents of a preferably spectacular liberation blow , which had the upper hand only a few days ago , become pressurized from the brakemen and procrastinators from some federal states.
Mückstein wants to continue stubbornly , Rendi and Ludwig in the back .
Nehammer has orders from Lower Austria (Mikl-Leitner, the grey eminence of ÖVP) and strongest pressure from the West , where the powerful tourism people want to save Easter tourism .
The Styrians and Vorarlbergers are on the brakes , Burgenland and Carinthia want Freedom Day and stick knives into the backs of the „hysteria steel helmet faction“ in Vienna daily.
Kogler, in his rare sober hours, tactics with new elections or muddling through, and the powerful social partners want everything gone - they know that Austria's economy and labor market are on the ropes and need a liberating blow.
The crack goes through both government parties - who prevails, decides in the next 24 hours.
What the people want - and the people want FREEDOM - once again no one is interested.
At the moment it stands Fifty - Fifty all my sources say. I wouldn’t bet on nothing at the moment.“
Interesting times ahead, I guess. Our politicians behave like two-year olds. Wouldn’t be that bad if 8 million people would not suffer under their regime.
Ha, we'll see about all of this later today, won't we?
Would you mind, by the way, sharing the German-language original with me via email? I'd very much like to read that one while I'll await the régime's decision later today.
Also, as a parent I would like to caution against liking the political hacks to two-year olds: small kids don't do things on purpose (i.e., with premediation), grown-ups do.
The Greens, everywhere, are leftist parties which have a faux concern for the environment. To me, they turned "green" out of political envy.
I have noticed they never appeared on any animal rescue, like rescuing beaching whales, etc.
I heard once that in Spain they are called "watermelons", green on the outside but red on the inside.
Yep, they are also widely known for the selective application of their 'principles'.
Still, that doesn't make the political problems these are doing go away.
Most people, thanks to the media, believe that they care about the "environment."
A few years ago in NSW, Australia, the govt wanted to do some controlled burning during the winter to prevent massive bushfires in the summer. The greens blocked that effort with various means - fair and foul. A few years later NSW suffered devastating bushfires. I did not read of one media story of the greenies volunteered to help fight them.
Same here in Sweden. Watermelons, tree-huggers, and Gröna Khmerer (a pun on the Khmer Rouge, fitting as the swedish green party originally was openly pro-Khmer Rouge and maoist, advocating agrarian communism of the same kind as in Kambodja).
I am surprised that they even heard of Pol Pot (not "pot" as in pottery). Once a Greenie, always a Greenie.
Heard of? Several prominent members of both the green movement (called the Green Wave) and the KFML(r)* and a couple of other communist groups went on several trips there during the genocide.
To exchange comradely greetings and to learn from each other.
Many of these had careers in swedish media, politics and the culture and entertainment sector from the early eighties onwards, including people who openly lauded Stalin for his atrocities.
Heck, at the annual booksellers and author expo (Bokmässan) they hand out a prize called "The Lenin Prize"! Still!
*KFML(r) was one of dozens of communist parties and fighting cells, often with overlapping membership. The acronym means "KommunistFörbundet Marxist-Leninsisterna (revolutionärerna)", roughly "Communist Union of Marxist-Leninists (revolutionary). The (r) separated them from those communists who wanted to take power via elections. The KFML(r) called for armed revolution with Soviet military support.
Most foreigners don't know or realise that Sweden was and still is highly socialist to its core, politically speaking. Even fewer know that the socialist democratic party's eugenics program wasn't shut down until the 1970s. By then, they had aborted, euthanised and sterilised more than 30 000 (and much of the records were burned; it may have been more than 70 000 people).
No of people sent to prison? 0. The by then few survivors were grudgingly awarded a symbolic sum after the year 2000. And for transsexuals wanting to undergo reassignment treatment, sterilisation (including a ban for donating sperm/eggs) was mandatory until 2012.
Sorry (again) for going off on a rant in a tangent but having taught politicial science and history, my nation's history of hypocrisy and its unwillingness to own up to what we did during the last century, well it sticks in my throat like a bone. A chicken bone, broken in half.
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Thanks. Nice. I will use that word to call them.
Of course, you heard of "bananas" - yellow on the outside; white on the inside?
- "coconuts" - to describe the Islanders in the South Pacific like Tonga, Samoa, the Maoris
You do know that bananas eventually turn brown, both outside (first) and inside (later).