Insane levels of trust in government show a rather immature population, easily explained and admitted by the commission by successful corporatism, or fascism
"Insane levels of trust in government show a rather immature population...,"
In 2021, I experienced the following:
1. A man in his late 70s asked me why would govts lie to us! I was so stunned, I was literally speechless.
2. An Argentinian immigrant in his late 50s said the Australian govts care for us. He compared them favourable to Argentina!
3. A man won't accept that "no jab, no job" was forced. On another occasion a woman has the same view! I cut off immediately, telling her we have nothing to talk about. she iwas slightly miffed.
On a beautiful sunny day in SW Sydney today I saw a solo driver with his mask on. A masked mother masked her two little kids outdoors!
One would see the odd face diaper-wearing person here, too. It's strange, in particular since no-one tells them how stupid this is, but then again, what can one do but try to educate people?
How? Since they have 26 months of data and living experience; and others around them don't wear one; Sweden; Belaruse: how else can they educate themselves?
It is their business PROVIDED their conduct does not encourage authorities to reimpose that measure; or, worse, they agitate its return. As we have seen in some places in USA.
That last paragraph is crucial, I think: most people don't want to know (voluntarily), hence one has to point these issues out to them. Why, one might reasonably ask, and I'd propose lack of time, interest, no sense of civic duties and responsibilities, etc., in addition to carelessness. Many just don't care (enough), or only insofar as their individual activities may be circumscribed by 'those others who don't comply'.
Media has no interest in explaining anything: their 'market', or target group, is the majority (who also took the injections), hence there's no upside there, too.
I'm quite firmly convinved by now that the mandates will come back virtually everywhere, but they will be used to target specific groups, such as foreigners (yay), those few who remain 'Covid-naive' (can't be that many), and so on.
One of Norway advantages was (is) the comparatively de-centralised enforcement of such mandates, which will likely continue. Better to piss off only part of the people at any given time, I suppose.
I don't know the real reasons. No one had ever asked me why I did not wear a mask. When they did ask, I fired back with a few questions which they could not answer.
Re the faccines:
They repeated the lines they read. When I retorted, they had no answer. A few days ago a big-bellied but strong tradesman got kissed by omi recently. His second jab was in Sep 2021. He had those classic symptoms that he never had before. His wife and daughter were fine. his daughter got flu-like symptoms and tested negative. That gave him confidence that the test was legitimate. He said it could have been worse but for those vaccines. Yes, he did say that!! I asked "prove it". His response was that is what they say. Me: can they prove it? He just looked at me sheepishly. I earnestly warned him to NEVER take it anymore since he has natural immunity. He said he won't; fearful for his heart! And he knew of some serious side-effects!
I was confused..
Yes, we do what we can to pass on information. It is up to people to seek and decide. Or decide and seek.
Re the 'real reasons'--I suppose that about 1/3 is gullible and perhaps 'beyond' redemption.
On the plus side, those who still continue to push this kind of nonsense are quite literally self-identifying, hence rather easy to avoid, don't you think?
Your comment about the Norwegian people immaturity (or credulousness) reminds me of a news article in Japan the other week. The article stated that Friday and Saturday are the most popular days for getting boosters. An “expert” opined that this was probably because people expected to be too sick to work for one or days after the jab, so by suffering the side-effects over the weekend, they wouldn’t need to take time off work.
The expert then proudly said this showed the national characteristic of “majime” (offen translated as serious/businesslike). I too think it shows a national characteristic, but not in a good way.
I suspect that once a 4th jab will be made available widely, uptake will tank further; there's already a marked reduction of approx. -30% (compared to jabs 1+2), which will make it quite hard to 'sell' infinite injections as a sustainable 'solution' to the problem of Covid-19.
Willing unquestioning compliance is not being educated and making choices, it is a sure sign of being indoctrinated. Absolutely positively fascism, the Viking way of governing has been terminated!
Or, once the trust has been exposed to the suffering and death from the spike shot, then all fascist bets are off as Vikings seize back their power from these international fascists. I don't know, just imagining a proper Viking response.
Oh my stars and garters, that picture! It's on par with John Wayne playing Genghis Khan, or Sidney Poitier's portrayal of Almansur in The Long Ships. (both me and my wife likes real turkeys of a movie).
I'd not call the norwegians immature, but innocent and optimistic instead, as compared to swedes and finns. For the longest of times, we could trust our governements, no matter what parties they were made up out of, to put kith and kin and nation first.
After the triumph of neo-liberalism and Greenspan's et consortes policies for "free trade", our leaders no longer serve the ideal of a better nation for their people, but othher masters and other ideals, in which it doesn't matter which people (volk) and which kultur inhabits a given area: all are equal as consumer/producers.
Jokes aside, 'immature' is a quite harsh word, I admit, and it's certainly not my experience with Norwegians-as-individuals: they are a lovely bunch, and once one understands certain things (the arm comes to mind), it's not hard to 'squeeze in'. It's not that demanding, and there's a lot of variation in terms of things that appear 'ok-ish' to 'permissible' here.
That said, your final paragraph is very important: why not call it 'they sold us all out'?
Sweden and Norway are very alike in what you describe. Those characteristics are a great strength when fighting weather, elements and so on - but not other different cultures.
Then those strenghts becomes weaknesses, when faced with how greeks and italians view agreements and deals, or folks from the balkan's view law and order, or most obvious how non-european cultures values strength and are built on dominance-behavioual patterns.
I usually call many of my fellow swedes dodos due to this, since it captures the problem's essence: we think that "everyone wants to be like us, since our way is the best way".
Haha, this is awesome: you know, while I hail from (Eastern) Austria, I have to self-identify as (at least) temperamentally Eastern European--and when I read your comment, I had to laugh, albeit for a very different reason: my experience here in Norway is that there's no difference between the 'cavalier' way the locals treat law and order, with the one difference being an utter lack of self-awareness of their own de facto 'Balkan' mentality.
It's a strange world, but the Dodo notion is also hilarious.
Very true about the Balkan mentality, it's the same in rural Sweden. Key is belonging to the culture so that one knows were the real laws draw the line between accepted and unaccepted. I'm aware of the process simply due to having taught autistics for so long, since they don't have the instinct for such things at all but must develop it as a trained skill instead.
Example: recently, old telephone poles were pulled up by a company hired by the local council. These old poles are impregnated with kreosot and are to be disposed at the correct facilities.
They also make perfect struts, supports and so on and are borderline petrified due to age (70+ year old) and the chemicals. But using them like that is illegal, and the company pullingthe out and stacking them at the roadside may not sell or give them away.
However, a different company handles transport and destruction, and by the time they arive a copule of years later, to pick up the poles, the polse are mysteriously gone and no on knows why or how... No-one sees this as anything but rght, if you just ask around the village first to make sure you don't take more than your fair share.
When I visisted the Balkans, it was still called Jugoslavia, but I do recognise the attitude. Difference is, swedes and norwegians expect it from foreigners too.
"Insane levels of trust in government show a rather immature population...,"
In 2021, I experienced the following:
1. A man in his late 70s asked me why would govts lie to us! I was so stunned, I was literally speechless.
2. An Argentinian immigrant in his late 50s said the Australian govts care for us. He compared them favourable to Argentina!
3. A man won't accept that "no jab, no job" was forced. On another occasion a woman has the same view! I cut off immediately, telling her we have nothing to talk about. she iwas slightly miffed.
On a beautiful sunny day in SW Sydney today I saw a solo driver with his mask on. A masked mother masked her two little kids outdoors!
One would see the odd face diaper-wearing person here, too. It's strange, in particular since no-one tells them how stupid this is, but then again, what can one do but try to educate people?
"....what can one do but try to educate people?"
How? Since they have 26 months of data and living experience; and others around them don't wear one; Sweden; Belaruse: how else can they educate themselves?
It is their business PROVIDED their conduct does not encourage authorities to reimpose that measure; or, worse, they agitate its return. As we have seen in some places in USA.
That last paragraph is crucial, I think: most people don't want to know (voluntarily), hence one has to point these issues out to them. Why, one might reasonably ask, and I'd propose lack of time, interest, no sense of civic duties and responsibilities, etc., in addition to carelessness. Many just don't care (enough), or only insofar as their individual activities may be circumscribed by 'those others who don't comply'.
Media has no interest in explaining anything: their 'market', or target group, is the majority (who also took the injections), hence there's no upside there, too.
I'm quite firmly convinved by now that the mandates will come back virtually everywhere, but they will be used to target specific groups, such as foreigners (yay), those few who remain 'Covid-naive' (can't be that many), and so on.
One of Norway advantages was (is) the comparatively de-centralised enforcement of such mandates, which will likely continue. Better to piss off only part of the people at any given time, I suppose.
I don't know the real reasons. No one had ever asked me why I did not wear a mask. When they did ask, I fired back with a few questions which they could not answer.
Re the faccines:
They repeated the lines they read. When I retorted, they had no answer. A few days ago a big-bellied but strong tradesman got kissed by omi recently. His second jab was in Sep 2021. He had those classic symptoms that he never had before. His wife and daughter were fine. his daughter got flu-like symptoms and tested negative. That gave him confidence that the test was legitimate. He said it could have been worse but for those vaccines. Yes, he did say that!! I asked "prove it". His response was that is what they say. Me: can they prove it? He just looked at me sheepishly. I earnestly warned him to NEVER take it anymore since he has natural immunity. He said he won't; fearful for his heart! And he knew of some serious side-effects!
I was confused..
Yes, we do what we can to pass on information. It is up to people to seek and decide. Or decide and seek.
Re the vaxx story: it's heart-breaking.
Re the 'real reasons'--I suppose that about 1/3 is gullible and perhaps 'beyond' redemption.
On the plus side, those who still continue to push this kind of nonsense are quite literally self-identifying, hence rather easy to avoid, don't you think?
Cheers!
How do you avoid 95% of adults?
Your comment about the Norwegian people immaturity (or credulousness) reminds me of a news article in Japan the other week. The article stated that Friday and Saturday are the most popular days for getting boosters. An “expert” opined that this was probably because people expected to be too sick to work for one or days after the jab, so by suffering the side-effects over the weekend, they wouldn’t need to take time off work.
The expert then proudly said this showed the national characteristic of “majime” (offen translated as serious/businesslike). I too think it shows a national characteristic, but not in a good way.
Well, trust, but verify, I'd say.
I suspect that once a 4th jab will be made available widely, uptake will tank further; there's already a marked reduction of approx. -30% (compared to jabs 1+2), which will make it quite hard to 'sell' infinite injections as a sustainable 'solution' to the problem of Covid-19.
Like everything else, compliance has its limits.
Willing unquestioning compliance is not being educated and making choices, it is a sure sign of being indoctrinated. Absolutely positively fascism, the Viking way of governing has been terminated!
Or, once the trust has been exposed to the suffering and death from the spike shot, then all fascist bets are off as Vikings seize back their power from these international fascists. I don't know, just imagining a proper Viking response.
I agree on the former paragraph, but I remain quite skeptical of the latter (even though I agree with the premise).
Oh my stars and garters, that picture! It's on par with John Wayne playing Genghis Khan, or Sidney Poitier's portrayal of Almansur in The Long Ships. (both me and my wife likes real turkeys of a movie).
I'd not call the norwegians immature, but innocent and optimistic instead, as compared to swedes and finns. For the longest of times, we could trust our governements, no matter what parties they were made up out of, to put kith and kin and nation first.
After the triumph of neo-liberalism and Greenspan's et consortes policies for "free trade", our leaders no longer serve the ideal of a better nation for their people, but othher masters and other ideals, in which it doesn't matter which people (volk) and which kultur inhabits a given area: all are equal as consumer/producers.
You like that picture, eh? Harr.
Jokes aside, 'immature' is a quite harsh word, I admit, and it's certainly not my experience with Norwegians-as-individuals: they are a lovely bunch, and once one understands certain things (the arm comes to mind), it's not hard to 'squeeze in'. It's not that demanding, and there's a lot of variation in terms of things that appear 'ok-ish' to 'permissible' here.
That said, your final paragraph is very important: why not call it 'they sold us all out'?
Sold us to the glue factory more like.
Sweden and Norway are very alike in what you describe. Those characteristics are a great strength when fighting weather, elements and so on - but not other different cultures.
Then those strenghts becomes weaknesses, when faced with how greeks and italians view agreements and deals, or folks from the balkan's view law and order, or most obvious how non-european cultures values strength and are built on dominance-behavioual patterns.
I usually call many of my fellow swedes dodos due to this, since it captures the problem's essence: we think that "everyone wants to be like us, since our way is the best way".
Which is patently and suicidally ridiculous.
Haha, this is awesome: you know, while I hail from (Eastern) Austria, I have to self-identify as (at least) temperamentally Eastern European--and when I read your comment, I had to laugh, albeit for a very different reason: my experience here in Norway is that there's no difference between the 'cavalier' way the locals treat law and order, with the one difference being an utter lack of self-awareness of their own de facto 'Balkan' mentality.
It's a strange world, but the Dodo notion is also hilarious.
Very true about the Balkan mentality, it's the same in rural Sweden. Key is belonging to the culture so that one knows were the real laws draw the line between accepted and unaccepted. I'm aware of the process simply due to having taught autistics for so long, since they don't have the instinct for such things at all but must develop it as a trained skill instead.
Example: recently, old telephone poles were pulled up by a company hired by the local council. These old poles are impregnated with kreosot and are to be disposed at the correct facilities.
They also make perfect struts, supports and so on and are borderline petrified due to age (70+ year old) and the chemicals. But using them like that is illegal, and the company pullingthe out and stacking them at the roadside may not sell or give them away.
However, a different company handles transport and destruction, and by the time they arive a copule of years later, to pick up the poles, the polse are mysteriously gone and no on knows why or how... No-one sees this as anything but rght, if you just ask around the village first to make sure you don't take more than your fair share.
When I visisted the Balkans, it was still called Jugoslavia, but I do recognise the attitude. Difference is, swedes and norwegians expect it from foreigners too.
That is a cool anecdote about the poles. Since I'm moving to the rural hinterlands, I might get myself some of them, too.
As to your second paragraph, care to share that information?
Thanks for sharing, I shall check this out!