Austria, it appears, is the only country that gets dumber with experience, yet, this episode shows why the establishment doesn't like 'anti-vaxxers': it's about obedience, stupid!
"The fact that vaccination only provides limited protection against being massively infected or transmitting the virus (to a limited extent) could only become apparent after observing and evaluating the effects. "
So we should have been dumb-asses and partook of the mass experiment?
Thing is, he's very very wrong. Before the vaccines were even released I looked into the general profile or side effects of other coronavirus vaccines, and found we've never had any, because 1. They mutate too fast, 2. previous attempts had created ADE, 3. it was never possible to prevent a lung infection via an arm injection. Those are 2 different parts of the immune system, so any vaccine would only work to reduce symptoms, not infection.
Then I read Geert and others pointing out how you should never, ever, run a mass vaccination drive during an active epidemic, let alone a pandemic, because you'd just create 1. vaccine-escape mutations and 2. risk immune-imprinting (OAS).
Explain me, how a humble advertising guy living on an island could know this stuff, but this high-ranking mouthpiece couldn't?
I don't want his apology; I want his prosecution and punishment.
As to the issue at-hand, this guy clearly is a disgrace to humanity.
Yet, his impetus--people refuse to follow state institutions--is perhaps even accurate and, as far as I can determine, 'honest'. The biggest fear these people have, I'd argue, is the rabble grilling their feet.
If they continue, this will happen. Maybe not tomorrow, but I will.
You also write: 'Explain me, how a humble advertising guy living on an island could know this stuff, but this high-ranking mouthpiece couldn't?'
You know, I recall talking about just that issue with Jim Kunstler. His 'splanation was the possible damage to the epithelium that was off-putting. To me, there were a bunch of things, but I suppose the most interesting and convincing ones were the many co-workers who took the jabs well before me (I'm among the younger faculty members here)--and many of them experienced quite strong AEs. The same people also went for boosters, mostly.
One doesn't need to be 'credentialled'; reading and thinking for yourself would do just fine.
The dam is all but broken by now; just give it a few more days (next state election in Austria: 5 March, by the way).
Excellent. I really appreciate your documenting of these flagrant cases by such prominent individuals. The disdain and scorn, bordering on disgust, is palpable even in such a brief letter. It is but a short jump to outright hatred and incitement to actual violence. As I have mentioned before, it no longer puzzles me what happened in Germany in the 1930's.
I'm 'glad' you appreciate me trying to keep some receipts.
The sad thing is, three years ago, I'd never would have used Nazi analogies in the present. How things have changed. We also know now, courtesy of what amounts to as close to a natural experiment, how things escalate and spiral out of control. The implication: half the academic literature on 'why Auschwitz' is, in fact, wrong (it's the half that posited that the Nazis were like that from the get-go).
The most galling aspect thereof, however, is that, back in the 1930s, there were places to go to; this time, there are virtually none.
"Would you rather be illusioned or disillusioned?"
Psychotherapist, specialising in trauma, addiction, stress, and childhood development. He is not actually speaking about the pandemic but I find it very applicable. (Aran Maté the journalist is his son).
"To get disillusioned is actually a good thing... Don't identify with something outside of yourself to the extent that you become uncritical and blind... Don't be afraid to be disillusioned."
Ha, so far I've refrained from venturing over to Guano Island. Since Musk bought it (what a spleen), though, it's getting a bit more interesting. I'm unsure, though, if 140 or 280 characters is in tune with my style, though.
Thank you for sharing Dr. Maté's tweet; I recall a really good conversation he had with Joe Rogan not too long ago, which I can also recommend (if you haven't listened to it).
Yes. I always wondered how on earth the atrocities of the Second World War happened because I thought that the majority of people were decent and fair-minded and would never allow anything like that to happen again. I was being so naive and now realise that these events have happened throughout history and are probably the rule rather than the exception.
My mistake was that I had reached my late 60s without personally witnessing anything like this. What an eye opener!
Hilary, I feel the same. It's so odd to admit this (as a professional historian, no less), albeit in my defence I'd argue that I stayed away, professionally speaking, from working on the 20th century.
What I still find striking is that many people can still walk around thinking that all is well. After three years.
You know, I'm aware of any number of 'odd theories' (e.g., nano routers, hydrogel, etc.), which would allow me, to entertain the following in lieu of any (more satisfactory) answer: perhaps many are not brain-washed but remote-controlled in the most literal sense?
It’s astounding that this was written by an Austrian government official. Basically don’t think for yourself and do as you are told by the State. I would have thought that he would only have needed to look back to Austria’s most famous export and the German experience of WW II
Oh, so *we* are to blame for the loss of trust in da science? And not the people who pushed the gene juice on us without having done, y'know, the science? How very interesting.
"The fact that vaccination only provides limited protection against being massively infected or transmitting the virus (to a limited extent) could only become apparent after observing and evaluating the effects. "
So we should have been dumb-asses and partook of the mass experiment?
Thing is, he's very very wrong. Before the vaccines were even released I looked into the general profile or side effects of other coronavirus vaccines, and found we've never had any, because 1. They mutate too fast, 2. previous attempts had created ADE, 3. it was never possible to prevent a lung infection via an arm injection. Those are 2 different parts of the immune system, so any vaccine would only work to reduce symptoms, not infection.
Then I read Geert and others pointing out how you should never, ever, run a mass vaccination drive during an active epidemic, let alone a pandemic, because you'd just create 1. vaccine-escape mutations and 2. risk immune-imprinting (OAS).
Explain me, how a humble advertising guy living on an island could know this stuff, but this high-ranking mouthpiece couldn't?
I don't want his apology; I want his prosecution and punishment.
Amen, my friend.
As to the issue at-hand, this guy clearly is a disgrace to humanity.
Yet, his impetus--people refuse to follow state institutions--is perhaps even accurate and, as far as I can determine, 'honest'. The biggest fear these people have, I'd argue, is the rabble grilling their feet.
If they continue, this will happen. Maybe not tomorrow, but I will.
You also write: 'Explain me, how a humble advertising guy living on an island could know this stuff, but this high-ranking mouthpiece couldn't?'
You know, I recall talking about just that issue with Jim Kunstler. His 'splanation was the possible damage to the epithelium that was off-putting. To me, there were a bunch of things, but I suppose the most interesting and convincing ones were the many co-workers who took the jabs well before me (I'm among the younger faculty members here)--and many of them experienced quite strong AEs. The same people also went for boosters, mostly.
One doesn't need to be 'credentialled'; reading and thinking for yourself would do just fine.
The dam is all but broken by now; just give it a few more days (next state election in Austria: 5 March, by the way).
Excellent. I really appreciate your documenting of these flagrant cases by such prominent individuals. The disdain and scorn, bordering on disgust, is palpable even in such a brief letter. It is but a short jump to outright hatred and incitement to actual violence. As I have mentioned before, it no longer puzzles me what happened in Germany in the 1930's.
I'm 'glad' you appreciate me trying to keep some receipts.
The sad thing is, three years ago, I'd never would have used Nazi analogies in the present. How things have changed. We also know now, courtesy of what amounts to as close to a natural experiment, how things escalate and spiral out of control. The implication: half the academic literature on 'why Auschwitz' is, in fact, wrong (it's the half that posited that the Nazis were like that from the get-go).
The most galling aspect thereof, however, is that, back in the 1930s, there were places to go to; this time, there are virtually none.
Not sure if you are on twitter. I posted this short clip from Dr. Gabor Maté today: https://twitter.com/_shloka/status/1626671099256745984?s=20
"Would you rather be illusioned or disillusioned?"
Psychotherapist, specialising in trauma, addiction, stress, and childhood development. He is not actually speaking about the pandemic but I find it very applicable. (Aran Maté the journalist is his son).
"To get disillusioned is actually a good thing... Don't identify with something outside of yourself to the extent that you become uncritical and blind... Don't be afraid to be disillusioned."
Ha, so far I've refrained from venturing over to Guano Island. Since Musk bought it (what a spleen), though, it's getting a bit more interesting. I'm unsure, though, if 140 or 280 characters is in tune with my style, though.
Thank you for sharing Dr. Maté's tweet; I recall a really good conversation he had with Joe Rogan not too long ago, which I can also recommend (if you haven't listened to it).
Yes. I always wondered how on earth the atrocities of the Second World War happened because I thought that the majority of people were decent and fair-minded and would never allow anything like that to happen again. I was being so naive and now realise that these events have happened throughout history and are probably the rule rather than the exception.
My mistake was that I had reached my late 60s without personally witnessing anything like this. What an eye opener!
Hilary, I feel the same. It's so odd to admit this (as a professional historian, no less), albeit in my defence I'd argue that I stayed away, professionally speaking, from working on the 20th century.
What I still find striking is that many people can still walk around thinking that all is well. After three years.
You know, I'm aware of any number of 'odd theories' (e.g., nano routers, hydrogel, etc.), which would allow me, to entertain the following in lieu of any (more satisfactory) answer: perhaps many are not brain-washed but remote-controlled in the most literal sense?
What absolute arrogance and incompetence. Asshole
Dangerous asshole.
It’s astounding that this was written by an Austrian government official. Basically don’t think for yourself and do as you are told by the State. I would have thought that he would only have needed to look back to Austria’s most famous export and the German experience of WW II
Why would that self-righteous asshole do that? Austria didn't exist, and people such as this Dr. Jakl guy think of themselves as 'the good guys'.
There's virtually eternal sunshine on the spotless mind.
I'd add that this kind of attitude is probably well beyond 'cognitive dissonance'.
Oh, so *we* are to blame for the loss of trust in da science? And not the people who pushed the gene juice on us without having done, y'know, the science? How very interesting.
Sure, didn't you get the memo?
You didn't follow 'The Science™', hence you destroyed its credibility.
This dude takes victim-blaming to a whole new level.