I got hung up on her statement of probability. It's completely useless. 1% risk of reinfection, does that mean in total for the rest of your life no matter exposure or does she mean as the risk upon coming into contact with the virus each and every time that occurs?
I too struggle with probability and probabilistics, but as a life long player of all kinds of games and a fan of game theory too, I know full well that 1% odds/chance/risk is not a small one, especially not over time. 1% is huge.
I'd like to ask her, what if the odds of getting punched in the nose every time she opens herfront door was 1/1 000 000, would that be a lot or a little? How about she has a risk of 1% every month that she doesn't get paid? What if we make it a cumulative risk, so for every time that 1% hits home, it increases; 1% becomes 2% becomes 3% and so on?
Like it seems to be for many who has had Covid and their shots and just keep getting Covid again and again, each time easier and more severe than the time before?
I'm thinking old man Hammurabi had the right of it when he stated that physicians who harm their patients be harmed in the same way...
Haha, you spotted that one right away, didn't you?
When I read it, I literally 'stumbled' and had to re-read the paragraph three times: I mean, the first and last sentence of von Laer's statements don't make any sense, they are illogical, and contradictory.
As regards the probability issue, I'd call her statement fraudulent: either she doesn't know what she talks about--or she disingenuously omits the timeframe (which you mention): it is quintessential to know whether the 1% probability is, like, per day, week, month, year, ever. And we will see if Covid gets actually milder or worse over time/infection, won't we?
Re the Codex Hammurabi issue--well, I suppose Dr. von Laer took the injection, so, I suspect we're about even on that front…
There ought to be data gathered as to diet and lifestyles of those infected. Or maybe its easier to gather those not injected. Or both! These sterilized lifestyles people live makes them more vulnerable. I read an immunologist who claimed the best immune systems were always working. I also read studies proving farmers were healthier because they were exposed to all manner of different microbes. One more, those who live within 2 miles of where they were born had a higher chance of living long healthy lives - something about the local microbes protecting their positions in our bodies. So lets study these sterilized jet-setters first! Including you! Hahaha!
But we both know the injection is the real killer and anyone blaming all suffering on the virus in government releasing statistics are to be suspected of collaborating the fascist pharma-freak show dictates.
I never saw myself as a 'sterilised jet-setter', but it's quite an apt desciprtion for academics these days. That notion about local microbes 'protecting' their positions would be awesome, and it's certainly not the 'craziest' thing I've read.
As to the injections, well, I hope it's not the case, but the evidence is piling up--Jessica Rose posted twice on this, Chris Martenson discussed it on his podcast last week, and there are many others who do so, too.
Let's see how long it'll take for people to catch on…(but it's too late, anyways, for one cannot undo these injections).
I don't know for sure. There is a study by Stephanie Seneff that claims the spike proteins are sticky and hard for the body to remove even if the body is in a state of autophagy. But, maybe, slowly, overtime, if one can live a super healthy lifestyle (just what is that?), live long enough, as the body replaces cells, maybe a sliver of hope. My non-credentialed overly hopeful opinion. I use to listen to Martenson but stopped when he went crazy on the virus.
Ha, I shall look for that study now. Re-reading your comment, I thought like--what living organism in the animal (or plant) kingdom doesn't try to defend its turf? So, Seneff's argument makes a lot of sense, even though I readily admit that I didn't think this defend-one's-turf issue would apply (possibly) also to microbes.
Re your comment on Martenson: well, just because I listen to what he says doesn't mean I take all he's saying for granted. In reality, his commentary is one piece of information I'm reading, so, rest assured that my worldview isn't entirely based on his perspective ^_^
Here is a new one since I'm on this topic I only read the text, lots of interesting claims, here is a most interesting excerpt: That envelope protein is called syncytin. They’re [now] calling it ‘spike protein’ just to throw us all off,” Mikovits says.
Ok. I mostly breeze through all these reports looking for themes and don't want to, or maybe just can't, get bogged down in the details. Most ideas comes from this methodology. Since I'm not credentialed I can think whatever I want!
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My wife's grandfather, a researcher and professor of microbiology, cellular biology and related areas, used to say pretty much that: too much exposure makes us sick or causes allergic reactions due to constant stress and provocation of the system, too little means we don't develop the correct repsonse while our system is at its most adaptable and durable (after about 5 years of age but before finishing puberty basically).
Of course, he explained it with the proper terms and names - and it was almost30 years ago too - but that was the gist of it.
Don't turn the home into a sterile operating theater nor a pigsty, let the children play outdoors even when it pours, climb trees and scrape knees and go fishing and manage to put the hook in their earlobe and so on - normal childhood pre-internet and pre-cell phones basically.
And every person with any kind of medical background knows that lifestyle only plays second fiddle to genetics and external accidents, otherwise it is the pre-eminent soloist of the symphony of our health.
Thanks for the explanation. Beyond genetics is the overtime, over the generations, adaptations to climate, geography, and biology, methinks. Maybe one phycological reason why Europeans living in America are so paranoid of the biology here?
Good question. Personally, I doubt everything the gov't and the media say.
That said, Austria is among those countries that registers all Covid injections electronically, and they also do that do (technically) be able to fine 'the unvaxxed'. So, in this case, I think the data are a bit more reliable, as 2.6m X (fine) X each quarter = the state has an interest here, too.
Furthermore, the issue of reinfections is crucial as the Supreme Court is hearing a number of cases on the injection mandate this spring.
All told, I think the 'true' number may be higher, but 'they' at least admit to these numbers.
By the way, I was listening to Chris Martenson's podcast yesterday, the one where he discusses the 40% increase in mortality in certain US insurance data--and he played a clip from Australian sportscasters who, in their Sunday show, mentioned high incidences of both mycarditis and Bell's Palsy in Oz: anything you can relate about these issues?
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" mentioned high incidences of both mycarditis and Bell's Palsy in Oz: anything you can relate about these issues?"
Yes, I saw the clip. One of the hosts still had Bells on his left face. Yet they all were very cautious and politically correct.
I don't really know. There is an equivalent of the VAERS in Australia The stats are similar to other Western countries. Most of my sources are non-Australian. Also, I don't want to look at those stats in any detail. They are too distressing for me - especially re the injuries.. Stories involving injuries and deaths of people under retirement age provoke a mixture of distress and anger in me. I came across a 9 YEAR OLD Aussie girl dead from heart attack after her faccination. Of course, any loss is the same. However, context matters. If people took it without the *necessity* of keeping their jobs, then they volunteered. Worse were those who pimped or pushed the faccines. Why should I feel distressed, sadness and anger over X only to discover X was a volunteer or pusher, like our Aussie Shane Warne? Or that Barcelona soccer player who pimped for kids to be faccinated? Or Nadal? (Surprisingly a vid of Nadal writhing on the ground clutching his chest did not receive wide exposure. Odd.)
I was really kinda struck by the fact that these sportscasters actually 'dared' to say these things on TV (and, let's fact it, Sunday sportscasts are probably watched by more people than, say, government press briefings).
I suspect that there may be a brief moment of slightly less 'control' (censorship) now that 'Russia-Ukraine' doesn't work as it did a couple of weeks ago and the 'next big thing' isn't yet clear.
Well, we know that these injections suppress the immune system for 1-2 weeks. We also know by now that one's cells produce spike protein for weeks, if not months, on end (but none of the 'regulators' asked the manufacturers to check if this happens).
As to the 'clearing of the virus' issue, I can't remember where, but I clearly remember that human bodies have a hard time breaking down synthetic mRNA, as opposed to natural mRNA, hence I further suspect that the ongoing production of spike protein due to the injections only telling one's cells to produce such proteins (without stopping) might help explain the persistence of 'the virus', esp. among reinfected, it seems.
Igor Chudov posts reddit threads about this issue every now and then, i.e., about (injected) who cannot clear 'the virus' and continue to test positive for much longer.
I don't know nearly enough about the biological intra-cellular issues involved, but as far as I understand esp. the EUA treatments by Merck (Molnupiravir) and esp. Pfizer (Paxlovid), these products relieve your symptoms but don't really get your viral load down, i.e., you'd test positive for much longer.
My gut feeling is that most people who test positive now tell everyone they've got Covid, but they also exaggerate the symptoms (because, let's face it, most people I know are simply sissies when it comes to regular ingestion of drugs and their inability to actually, well, let any illness run its course, i.e., being sick for a few days).
I got hung up on her statement of probability. It's completely useless. 1% risk of reinfection, does that mean in total for the rest of your life no matter exposure or does she mean as the risk upon coming into contact with the virus each and every time that occurs?
I too struggle with probability and probabilistics, but as a life long player of all kinds of games and a fan of game theory too, I know full well that 1% odds/chance/risk is not a small one, especially not over time. 1% is huge.
I'd like to ask her, what if the odds of getting punched in the nose every time she opens herfront door was 1/1 000 000, would that be a lot or a little? How about she has a risk of 1% every month that she doesn't get paid? What if we make it a cumulative risk, so for every time that 1% hits home, it increases; 1% becomes 2% becomes 3% and so on?
Like it seems to be for many who has had Covid and their shots and just keep getting Covid again and again, each time easier and more severe than the time before?
I'm thinking old man Hammurabi had the right of it when he stated that physicians who harm their patients be harmed in the same way...
Haha, you spotted that one right away, didn't you?
When I read it, I literally 'stumbled' and had to re-read the paragraph three times: I mean, the first and last sentence of von Laer's statements don't make any sense, they are illogical, and contradictory.
As regards the probability issue, I'd call her statement fraudulent: either she doesn't know what she talks about--or she disingenuously omits the timeframe (which you mention): it is quintessential to know whether the 1% probability is, like, per day, week, month, year, ever. And we will see if Covid gets actually milder or worse over time/infection, won't we?
Re the Codex Hammurabi issue--well, I suppose Dr. von Laer took the injection, so, I suspect we're about even on that front…
There ought to be data gathered as to diet and lifestyles of those infected. Or maybe its easier to gather those not injected. Or both! These sterilized lifestyles people live makes them more vulnerable. I read an immunologist who claimed the best immune systems were always working. I also read studies proving farmers were healthier because they were exposed to all manner of different microbes. One more, those who live within 2 miles of where they were born had a higher chance of living long healthy lives - something about the local microbes protecting their positions in our bodies. So lets study these sterilized jet-setters first! Including you! Hahaha!
But we both know the injection is the real killer and anyone blaming all suffering on the virus in government releasing statistics are to be suspected of collaborating the fascist pharma-freak show dictates.
I never saw myself as a 'sterilised jet-setter', but it's quite an apt desciprtion for academics these days. That notion about local microbes 'protecting' their positions would be awesome, and it's certainly not the 'craziest' thing I've read.
As to the injections, well, I hope it's not the case, but the evidence is piling up--Jessica Rose posted twice on this, Chris Martenson discussed it on his podcast last week, and there are many others who do so, too.
Let's see how long it'll take for people to catch on…(but it's too late, anyways, for one cannot undo these injections).
I don't know for sure. There is a study by Stephanie Seneff that claims the spike proteins are sticky and hard for the body to remove even if the body is in a state of autophagy. But, maybe, slowly, overtime, if one can live a super healthy lifestyle (just what is that?), live long enough, as the body replaces cells, maybe a sliver of hope. My non-credentialed overly hopeful opinion. I use to listen to Martenson but stopped when he went crazy on the virus.
I appreciate your attention.
Ha, I shall look for that study now. Re-reading your comment, I thought like--what living organism in the animal (or plant) kingdom doesn't try to defend its turf? So, Seneff's argument makes a lot of sense, even though I readily admit that I didn't think this defend-one's-turf issue would apply (possibly) also to microbes.
Re your comment on Martenson: well, just because I listen to what he says doesn't mean I take all he's saying for granted. In reality, his commentary is one piece of information I'm reading, so, rest assured that my worldview isn't entirely based on his perspective ^_^
I appreciate your engagement!
Here is a new one since I'm on this topic I only read the text, lots of interesting claims, here is a most interesting excerpt: That envelope protein is called syncytin. They’re [now] calling it ‘spike protein’ just to throw us all off,” Mikovits says.
https://raccoonmedicine.com/wp/2021/06/13/stephanie-seneff-and-judy-mikovits-discuss-synthetic-mrna-spike-protein/
Cool, thanks a lot, Rick!
Ok. I mostly breeze through all these reports looking for themes and don't want to, or maybe just can't, get bogged down in the details. Most ideas comes from this methodology. Since I'm not credentialed I can think whatever I want!
Here is one Seneff included study I read. https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings/2021/SENEFF~1.PDF
I will look up the Martenson piece.
Thanks for the Seneff piece, more stuff to read!
Like you, I'm not 'an expert' in these matters, which is, I think, fair enough…
My wife's grandfather, a researcher and professor of microbiology, cellular biology and related areas, used to say pretty much that: too much exposure makes us sick or causes allergic reactions due to constant stress and provocation of the system, too little means we don't develop the correct repsonse while our system is at its most adaptable and durable (after about 5 years of age but before finishing puberty basically).
Of course, he explained it with the proper terms and names - and it was almost30 years ago too - but that was the gist of it.
Don't turn the home into a sterile operating theater nor a pigsty, let the children play outdoors even when it pours, climb trees and scrape knees and go fishing and manage to put the hook in their earlobe and so on - normal childhood pre-internet and pre-cell phones basically.
And every person with any kind of medical background knows that lifestyle only plays second fiddle to genetics and external accidents, otherwise it is the pre-eminent soloist of the symphony of our health.
Thanks for the explanation. Beyond genetics is the overtime, over the generations, adaptations to climate, geography, and biology, methinks. Maybe one phycological reason why Europeans living in America are so paranoid of the biology here?
Just how legitimate are the Austrian data ? I hope you will not say they are reliable.
Good question. Personally, I doubt everything the gov't and the media say.
That said, Austria is among those countries that registers all Covid injections electronically, and they also do that do (technically) be able to fine 'the unvaxxed'. So, in this case, I think the data are a bit more reliable, as 2.6m X (fine) X each quarter = the state has an interest here, too.
Furthermore, the issue of reinfections is crucial as the Supreme Court is hearing a number of cases on the injection mandate this spring.
All told, I think the 'true' number may be higher, but 'they' at least admit to these numbers.
"Personally, I doubt everything the gov't and the media say" - the same with me.
My respect and admiration to all those Austrians who chose to pay fines than be injected.
The general rule is govts inflate and deflate the data to fit or promote their lies. Their own revisions prove that.
Exactly the way I see it.
By the way, I was listening to Chris Martenson's podcast yesterday, the one where he discusses the 40% increase in mortality in certain US insurance data--and he played a clip from Australian sportscasters who, in their Sunday show, mentioned high incidences of both mycarditis and Bell's Palsy in Oz: anything you can relate about these issues?
" mentioned high incidences of both mycarditis and Bell's Palsy in Oz: anything you can relate about these issues?"
Yes, I saw the clip. One of the hosts still had Bells on his left face. Yet they all were very cautious and politically correct.
I don't really know. There is an equivalent of the VAERS in Australia The stats are similar to other Western countries. Most of my sources are non-Australian. Also, I don't want to look at those stats in any detail. They are too distressing for me - especially re the injuries.. Stories involving injuries and deaths of people under retirement age provoke a mixture of distress and anger in me. I came across a 9 YEAR OLD Aussie girl dead from heart attack after her faccination. Of course, any loss is the same. However, context matters. If people took it without the *necessity* of keeping their jobs, then they volunteered. Worse were those who pimped or pushed the faccines. Why should I feel distressed, sadness and anger over X only to discover X was a volunteer or pusher, like our Aussie Shane Warne? Or that Barcelona soccer player who pimped for kids to be faccinated? Or Nadal? (Surprisingly a vid of Nadal writhing on the ground clutching his chest did not receive wide exposure. Odd.)
Here is another Aussie story:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10706525/Kangaroos-star-adverse-reaction-Covid-jab-develops-heart-condition-second-jab.html
Oh wow, that's quite something.
I was really kinda struck by the fact that these sportscasters actually 'dared' to say these things on TV (and, let's fact it, Sunday sportscasts are probably watched by more people than, say, government press briefings).
I suspect that there may be a brief moment of slightly less 'control' (censorship) now that 'Russia-Ukraine' doesn't work as it did a couple of weeks ago and the 'next big thing' isn't yet clear.
Well, we know that these injections suppress the immune system for 1-2 weeks. We also know by now that one's cells produce spike protein for weeks, if not months, on end (but none of the 'regulators' asked the manufacturers to check if this happens).
As to the 'clearing of the virus' issue, I can't remember where, but I clearly remember that human bodies have a hard time breaking down synthetic mRNA, as opposed to natural mRNA, hence I further suspect that the ongoing production of spike protein due to the injections only telling one's cells to produce such proteins (without stopping) might help explain the persistence of 'the virus', esp. among reinfected, it seems.
Igor Chudov posts reddit threads about this issue every now and then, i.e., about (injected) who cannot clear 'the virus' and continue to test positive for much longer.
I don't know nearly enough about the biological intra-cellular issues involved, but as far as I understand esp. the EUA treatments by Merck (Molnupiravir) and esp. Pfizer (Paxlovid), these products relieve your symptoms but don't really get your viral load down, i.e., you'd test positive for much longer.
My gut feeling is that most people who test positive now tell everyone they've got Covid, but they also exaggerate the symptoms (because, let's face it, most people I know are simply sissies when it comes to regular ingestion of drugs and their inability to actually, well, let any illness run its course, i.e., being sick for a few days).