The question is which states had excess mortality among the people who "count," i.e. the Atlantic readers, New York Times readers, etc. If anti-COVID measures killed some "deplorables," then that's an extra plus for the people who "count," isn't it?
It's almost funny listening to people such as Martin Kulldorff, who keep insisting that public health is about "everybody." He's really out of the loop, isn't he?
I was being cynical, of course, but the point is that, politically, not all deaths are created equal. Suppose you want to win an election. Now ask yourself what's more important: making middle class Boomers "feel safe" (the actual effect on "safety" is mostly beside the point), or reducing the odds that drug-addicted Millennials/Zoomers will overdose due to social isolation? Quite a lot of those excess deaths were overdoses, weren't they?
Well, you make a good point, but I think that, at this point in time, we may infer that speculation about 'better education' leading to 'better judgement' to be just that: speculation. If anything, it would seem that the more 'liberal' and 'well-educated' took more of these injections than 'the deplorables'.
My long-time big question-mark: how can Sweden have such a good record in excess-death despite being very prolific in their use of genetic experimental substances? I appreciate any insights.
Good question--I don't know, but I would think that prior exposure to whatever 'Covid' is might be one indicator, with the other being--regular vitamin D intake in Nordic winters.
On the latter issue, I recall (but can't find the link right now) a few pieces that appeared on Norwegian state broadcaster NRK's website a few months ago: it showed massive increases in people buying (and, I presume, consuming) particularly vitamin C and D supplements, although public health officialdom 'advised' against doing so. Here, I'm guessing, might be a shared trait across the Nordic countries, esp. since I can't think of anything else?
I have been thinking about that and asked many and nobody can tell me anything.
Maybe it has to do with Sweden not closing down, we let it rip.
Somewhere I read about the IgG4-switch, caused by the vaccines, and that it does not happen if you had covid before you took the shot. But I am not sure I am remembering it correctly. But in that case, maybe the people in my country had covid before they took the shoot and their antibodies did not change to IgG4?
But I lived my normal life, working with children, doing my shopping maskless like everybody else, and I did not get covid until after the shots were pushed on me anyway. Just like most of the people I know. So I feel confused.
Good points you make--same here in Norway: sure, people masked and 'distanced' quite a bit (I couldn't care less), and I'm quite certain that many--esp. those younger than 40 who became 'eligible' for these 'injections' only from late June 2021 onwards--were 'infected' before they received the so-called 'vaccines'. There was also a significant decline of 3rd and later booster uptake.
Compunding factors, that are impolite to bring up:
Far better public health (as in: the people, not the health care-system) than most other nations, especially when it comes to obesity, problems relating to lungs and such, better availability to the health care system for people, regions adapting responses to suit conditions (Lund setting up a mobile Covid-testing squad for seniors and those with immuno deficience-problems f.e.), better data collection and tracking than most (just look at what's going on in UK, Naked Emperor-substack's been covering that in detail for years), better dilligence among health care workers and nursing home staff (look at Sölvesborg for the most triumphant example), and many more factors of that same nature.
Makes creating a comprehensive image a dog of the femal persuasion as they say.
What Sweden could do that would really help matters would be to tell SCB and Folkhälsomyndigheten to collate data separating city/countryside in detail, and layer in percentage of MENA/African migrants, then look directly at excess mortality, vaccine uptake and overall health status among said group (divided by age and comorbidity) and compare that to swedes using the same metrics.
But since race and racial differences is such an infected issue in Sweden, it won't be done.
Same in Norway, though, with one more thing to add: remember when I reported about that 'study' about mortality in Norway that excluded 'vaccination status' a while ago? I actually got an answer, and the corresponding author told me that the reason for excluding vaxx status was the much longer and hard evaluation (institutional review board, ethics assessment) and more costs.
I don't doubt that they could do these studies, but there's nothing to gain: imagine if they did--those who to this friggin' day push these modRNA jabs would end in court, politicians would have to resign en masse (cheers), to say nothing about the massive pan-societal freak-out: trust your GP again? Sure, he or she lied to you massively once, but you remain convinced he or she won't do it again (or: did he or she lie to you before?), right? Right.
All of the accounting is a lose-lose-lose situation for everyone, and I'm also including those who trusted 'the science' here: who wishes to admit he or she was so dead-wrong?
Remember I mentioned that Sweden does not have academic freedom in the slightest?
Researcher Sameh Egyptson who's been studying the Moslem Brotherhood since 1999 is being investigated by a prosecutor and will probably be charged with some kind of hate-crime and libelous slander.
The reason is, Egyptson shows in his dissertation presented last year how the Moslem Brotherhood infiltrates non-islamic societies and moslem congretations outside moslem nations, which of course leads directly into several political parties, unions, foundations and so on.
And since said parties (such as the Socialist Democrats) are already mired in their ties to Hamas, PLO, Fatah, AQiM, et cetera and we're having a scandal about that and the requisite hate for jews that always comes with moslem presence, well. . . an example must be made so that other academics toe the party line.
Because if not, then the clan chiefs, gang bosses and imams might tell their people to /not/ vote for the Party.
Sounds like when police are accused of crimes here, honestly. Who do you report crimes to? The police. So when you accuse a policeman of a crime, his mates "investigates" it.
Unless it's political and you have protection, of course.
I'm unsure on this one, to be honest. Documenting 'excess mortality' is one thing, attribution another one. While I personally think that, based on the available information (esp. the manufacturers' own patents), these modRNA injections shorten the recipients' lives, I'd also assume very large variability in outcomes, mainly dependent on pre-existing overall health and susceptibility to additional toxins.
That said, while I think there are huge differences in the quality of data available, since most 'official' data is little better than junk (esp. for reasons of mislabelling of causes of death--remember: here in Norway, e.g., one wouldn't even be required to 'test' anything Covid-related to be categorised under the header 'Covid-associated death'), I also wonder if this is relevant any longer.
After all, most people already received one or more of these jabs, and there's apparently little one can do about it now other than learn for the future.
Those rates are for the period between 2020 and 2023. It makes sense that countries without lockdowns would fair better early on, but reality is that excess death due to KOVID was negligible in all countries. Most of the excess deaths are caused by the jabs. It is hard to understand how countries with high jabs compliance would then have lower excess dates. Early social measures cannot explain this, since Sweden and Germany had significantly different responses while excess death rates for both countries are similar. Countries with lower jab compliance had higher death rates. Three things come to mind: 1. Variation of average health (and age) in European countries and 2. Variation in lethality of jabs. 3. Variation in average number of jabs (it would indicate the velocity of awakening). My guess at this moment is number 2. Why would that be? I have no idea.
Is awareness of the importance of Vitamin D that much different between Germans and Austrians? I would be interesting to see rates from within Germany. Do they increase as you travel south toward Austria?
Don't know about the vit D issue in Germany and Austria, hence I'll move to the three aspects you mentioned, specifically 2 (lethality of the jabs):
I concur with this suspicion, and I'd like to offer my 2 cents worth (sic) of as to why:
We do know about the many issues creating 'uniform' products; 'downstream' handling (pop-up injection sites, refrigeration, storage, 'best before' extensions, etc.) aside, the main issue from a regulatory point of view is the--in my opinion negligent--abdication of regulators to enforce compliance with best practices, safety testing, etc.
While doing so may be useful for Big Pharma (esp. during legal proceedings), the main issue here appears to be future revenues: if you could widen use of modRNA application to other drugs, it's a virtually endless fountain of profits--but Big Pharma would still need all the trial and safety data despite not being mandated to collect it by the regulators.
Long story short, I can see a perfectly transparent reason for product variation: given the detailed collection of batch no., no. of jabs, etc., if Big Pharma wanted to ship, say, a 50:50 ratio of 'live' jabs vs. 'duds' (some form of placebo), it would permit the 'internal' collecting of safety data.
I am genuinely puzzled at the moment. My intuition would still lead me toward variability in jabs lethality, but I’m at a loss why they would do that. Without more information it is hard to judge, but I feel comfortable enough concluding that these jabs were a democidal bioweapon. If that is correct, then the question must be why has Western Imperial Oligarchy decided to diminish its own realm? Diminish its economies, diminish preparedness of its own militaries, reduce and sicken its own populations, destroying the very underpinnings of Western civilization,…?
They may be psychopaths and sociopaths, but I don’t believe they are doing this without thinking. There is plenty of evidence they are pursuing real goals, and have real long term strategies and tactics to achieve them. Our mistake is in that we don’t seem to see they are waging a war against us. How can we defend ourselves if can’t even recognize we are under attack? We need a critical mass of awareness, our own overarching goals, strategy and tactics. At this moment, the only hope I see is that they will self-destruct before destroying us. Humanity has seen dark periods before but never before had the Criminals had the kind of technological means to destroy us than they do now.
It is critical to understand they intend to remain in power regardless of what sort of response they engender in us. They are prepared to do ANYTHING to remain in power. This makes these times the most dangerous in history.
I share your sentiments, but I do think 'they' are pretty clear about their aims, although I am as puzzled as you are about 'them' trying to 'do in' those who 'technically' are 'their' people.
I recall Bret Weinstein's chat with Tucker Carlson, though, who pointed to the fact that, because the Chinese didn't use the modRNA injections, 'Western' and 'Chinese' populations are now (genetically) distinct to a certain degree--who knows that, if any, purpose might lurk behind this notion.
Yes, Chinese have seemingly missed the mRNA bullets. I’ve also read somewhere that China was trying hard to convince Taiwan not to take the mRNA route. I don’t know how true that is since there is a lot of propaganda thrown about. If it were true, it might indicate the Chinese foreknowledge about the true nature of mRNA. I find it unlikely that any virus escaped in China but I am certain China played a major role in the overall COVID psy-op.
As it looks right now the Western Imperial Oligarchy is acting in a very treasonous manner, when viewed from the western people’s perspective. The reality is that they are acting in what they perceive to be their best interests. Their interests have clearly diverged from the interests of the rest of us. That alone should be enough to delegitimize their rule over us but unfortunately their grip over us is currently entirely through mind control, but they are rapidly taking us toward a world of hard controls, which will be much harder to fight. We have a limited window of opportunity to act, but seem utterly paralyzed, a direct result of their effective mind control.
Well, all one needs to do to learn about modRNA products is: read the patents. If there's something 'sinister' going on, its the collusion between big gov't (public health), big business (pharma), and the military-intel community on the paraphernalia (Covid passports, mandates, etc.).
I think we need to dismiss the notion that these people care about their originating nation state or “the west”. They don’t. Their nature is now global. The new, seemingly emergent “multipolar” world order is nothing close to “multipolar” - it’s how they are evolving their system to remain in power, not some sort of organic development. I recommend these two recent articles:
I agree, 'multipolarism' appears ever more clearly to be the next-level systemic thing, and while it might sound 'good' in theory, we'll probably find out before too long if it's also 'better' than the present 'system', warts and all.
Absolutely! Multipolarism is largely a ruse, a managed stage toward their dream of planetary level control. Their interests have long ago diverged from the people living in the nation states. The nation states must be neutered because their framework stands in the way of their plans. They are currently doing whatever it takes to manage us through this transition. Wars, tensions, chaos, man made disasters, chemical attacks on our bodies, psy-ops, menticide, and upcoming economic destruction, energy shortages, and food shortages, all viewed as necessary steps by them.
Great post, totally agree with your final thoughts. My fear is that in 20 years there will be avant garde covid 'researchers' who will not believe any of this happened, especially if the US government starts coming out about the covid harms for political reasions. They will say that we were all 'actors' and the interviews were fake.
I wish I'm wrong, but we'll find out--one way or another.
As to the allegations of 'us' being 'actors' and/or delusional, well, here, too, the proof is in the pudding. Check out, e.g., Portuguese Covid 'vaccination' rates (top in Europe in 2021/22), which correlate with Portugal now having the highest excess mortality rates in Europe.
I suppose this, too, is Mr. Putin's doing. Or the 'climate crisis'. Right? Right! (/sarcasm)
The 'covid researchers' of the future will not accept government data - they will say it is fake.
I sincerely wish I were kidding, but I can see into my mental crystal ball (i.e. history and now), and unless human nature changes radically, this will happen.
Re: excess mortality
The question is which states had excess mortality among the people who "count," i.e. the Atlantic readers, New York Times readers, etc. If anti-COVID measures killed some "deplorables," then that's an extra plus for the people who "count," isn't it?
It's almost funny listening to people such as Martin Kulldorff, who keep insisting that public health is about "everybody." He's really out of the loop, isn't he?
Fair points on both accounts.
Just remember: death is the great leveller.
I was being cynical, of course, but the point is that, politically, not all deaths are created equal. Suppose you want to win an election. Now ask yourself what's more important: making middle class Boomers "feel safe" (the actual effect on "safety" is mostly beside the point), or reducing the odds that drug-addicted Millennials/Zoomers will overdose due to social isolation? Quite a lot of those excess deaths were overdoses, weren't they?
Well, you make a good point, but I think that, at this point in time, we may infer that speculation about 'better education' leading to 'better judgement' to be just that: speculation. If anything, it would seem that the more 'liberal' and 'well-educated' took more of these injections than 'the deplorables'.
My long-time big question-mark: how can Sweden have such a good record in excess-death despite being very prolific in their use of genetic experimental substances? I appreciate any insights.
Good question--I don't know, but I would think that prior exposure to whatever 'Covid' is might be one indicator, with the other being--regular vitamin D intake in Nordic winters.
On the latter issue, I recall (but can't find the link right now) a few pieces that appeared on Norwegian state broadcaster NRK's website a few months ago: it showed massive increases in people buying (and, I presume, consuming) particularly vitamin C and D supplements, although public health officialdom 'advised' against doing so. Here, I'm guessing, might be a shared trait across the Nordic countries, esp. since I can't think of anything else?
I have been thinking about that and asked many and nobody can tell me anything.
Maybe it has to do with Sweden not closing down, we let it rip.
Somewhere I read about the IgG4-switch, caused by the vaccines, and that it does not happen if you had covid before you took the shot. But I am not sure I am remembering it correctly. But in that case, maybe the people in my country had covid before they took the shoot and their antibodies did not change to IgG4?
But I lived my normal life, working with children, doing my shopping maskless like everybody else, and I did not get covid until after the shots were pushed on me anyway. Just like most of the people I know. So I feel confused.
Good points you make--same here in Norway: sure, people masked and 'distanced' quite a bit (I couldn't care less), and I'm quite certain that many--esp. those younger than 40 who became 'eligible' for these 'injections' only from late June 2021 onwards--were 'infected' before they received the so-called 'vaccines'. There was also a significant decline of 3rd and later booster uptake.
I doubt we'll get answers before too long.
Compunding factors, that are impolite to bring up:
Far better public health (as in: the people, not the health care-system) than most other nations, especially when it comes to obesity, problems relating to lungs and such, better availability to the health care system for people, regions adapting responses to suit conditions (Lund setting up a mobile Covid-testing squad for seniors and those with immuno deficience-problems f.e.), better data collection and tracking than most (just look at what's going on in UK, Naked Emperor-substack's been covering that in detail for years), better dilligence among health care workers and nursing home staff (look at Sölvesborg for the most triumphant example), and many more factors of that same nature.
Makes creating a comprehensive image a dog of the femal persuasion as they say.
What Sweden could do that would really help matters would be to tell SCB and Folkhälsomyndigheten to collate data separating city/countryside in detail, and layer in percentage of MENA/African migrants, then look directly at excess mortality, vaccine uptake and overall health status among said group (divided by age and comorbidity) and compare that to swedes using the same metrics.
But since race and racial differences is such an infected issue in Sweden, it won't be done.
Same in Norway, though, with one more thing to add: remember when I reported about that 'study' about mortality in Norway that excluded 'vaccination status' a while ago? I actually got an answer, and the corresponding author told me that the reason for excluding vaxx status was the much longer and hard evaluation (institutional review board, ethics assessment) and more costs.
I don't doubt that they could do these studies, but there's nothing to gain: imagine if they did--those who to this friggin' day push these modRNA jabs would end in court, politicians would have to resign en masse (cheers), to say nothing about the massive pan-societal freak-out: trust your GP again? Sure, he or she lied to you massively once, but you remain convinced he or she won't do it again (or: did he or she lie to you before?), right? Right.
All of the accounting is a lose-lose-lose situation for everyone, and I'm also including those who trusted 'the science' here: who wishes to admit he or she was so dead-wrong?
Remember I mentioned that Sweden does not have academic freedom in the slightest?
Researcher Sameh Egyptson who's been studying the Moslem Brotherhood since 1999 is being investigated by a prosecutor and will probably be charged with some kind of hate-crime and libelous slander.
The reason is, Egyptson shows in his dissertation presented last year how the Moslem Brotherhood infiltrates non-islamic societies and moslem congretations outside moslem nations, which of course leads directly into several political parties, unions, foundations and so on.
And since said parties (such as the Socialist Democrats) are already mired in their ties to Hamas, PLO, Fatah, AQiM, et cetera and we're having a scandal about that and the requisite hate for jews that always comes with moslem presence, well. . . an example must be made so that other academics toe the party line.
Because if not, then the clan chiefs, gang bosses and imams might tell their people to /not/ vote for the Party.
https://nyheteridag.se/avhandling-om-muslimska-brodraskapet-utreds-av-aklagare/
Sigh. This is all so absurd, it boggles the mind. (Also, I'm not surprised at-all.)
Sounds like when police are accused of crimes here, honestly. Who do you report crimes to? The police. So when you accuse a policeman of a crime, his mates "investigates" it.
Unless it's political and you have protection, of course.
I wonder if there would be answers to that question in the work of Prof. Rancourt. I have not gotten around to checking.
I'm unsure on this one, to be honest. Documenting 'excess mortality' is one thing, attribution another one. While I personally think that, based on the available information (esp. the manufacturers' own patents), these modRNA injections shorten the recipients' lives, I'd also assume very large variability in outcomes, mainly dependent on pre-existing overall health and susceptibility to additional toxins.
That said, while I think there are huge differences in the quality of data available, since most 'official' data is little better than junk (esp. for reasons of mislabelling of causes of death--remember: here in Norway, e.g., one wouldn't even be required to 'test' anything Covid-related to be categorised under the header 'Covid-associated death'), I also wonder if this is relevant any longer.
After all, most people already received one or more of these jabs, and there's apparently little one can do about it now other than learn for the future.
Those rates are for the period between 2020 and 2023. It makes sense that countries without lockdowns would fair better early on, but reality is that excess death due to KOVID was negligible in all countries. Most of the excess deaths are caused by the jabs. It is hard to understand how countries with high jabs compliance would then have lower excess dates. Early social measures cannot explain this, since Sweden and Germany had significantly different responses while excess death rates for both countries are similar. Countries with lower jab compliance had higher death rates. Three things come to mind: 1. Variation of average health (and age) in European countries and 2. Variation in lethality of jabs. 3. Variation in average number of jabs (it would indicate the velocity of awakening). My guess at this moment is number 2. Why would that be? I have no idea.
Is awareness of the importance of Vitamin D that much different between Germans and Austrians? I would be interesting to see rates from within Germany. Do they increase as you travel south toward Austria?
Don't know about the vit D issue in Germany and Austria, hence I'll move to the three aspects you mentioned, specifically 2 (lethality of the jabs):
I concur with this suspicion, and I'd like to offer my 2 cents worth (sic) of as to why:
We do know about the many issues creating 'uniform' products; 'downstream' handling (pop-up injection sites, refrigeration, storage, 'best before' extensions, etc.) aside, the main issue from a regulatory point of view is the--in my opinion negligent--abdication of regulators to enforce compliance with best practices, safety testing, etc.
While doing so may be useful for Big Pharma (esp. during legal proceedings), the main issue here appears to be future revenues: if you could widen use of modRNA application to other drugs, it's a virtually endless fountain of profits--but Big Pharma would still need all the trial and safety data despite not being mandated to collect it by the regulators.
Long story short, I can see a perfectly transparent reason for product variation: given the detailed collection of batch no., no. of jabs, etc., if Big Pharma wanted to ship, say, a 50:50 ratio of 'live' jabs vs. 'duds' (some form of placebo), it would permit the 'internal' collecting of safety data.
What do you think?
I am genuinely puzzled at the moment. My intuition would still lead me toward variability in jabs lethality, but I’m at a loss why they would do that. Without more information it is hard to judge, but I feel comfortable enough concluding that these jabs were a democidal bioweapon. If that is correct, then the question must be why has Western Imperial Oligarchy decided to diminish its own realm? Diminish its economies, diminish preparedness of its own militaries, reduce and sicken its own populations, destroying the very underpinnings of Western civilization,…?
They may be psychopaths and sociopaths, but I don’t believe they are doing this without thinking. There is plenty of evidence they are pursuing real goals, and have real long term strategies and tactics to achieve them. Our mistake is in that we don’t seem to see they are waging a war against us. How can we defend ourselves if can’t even recognize we are under attack? We need a critical mass of awareness, our own overarching goals, strategy and tactics. At this moment, the only hope I see is that they will self-destruct before destroying us. Humanity has seen dark periods before but never before had the Criminals had the kind of technological means to destroy us than they do now.
It is critical to understand they intend to remain in power regardless of what sort of response they engender in us. They are prepared to do ANYTHING to remain in power. This makes these times the most dangerous in history.
Same, same.
I share your sentiments, but I do think 'they' are pretty clear about their aims, although I am as puzzled as you are about 'them' trying to 'do in' those who 'technically' are 'their' people.
I recall Bret Weinstein's chat with Tucker Carlson, though, who pointed to the fact that, because the Chinese didn't use the modRNA injections, 'Western' and 'Chinese' populations are now (genetically) distinct to a certain degree--who knows that, if any, purpose might lurk behind this notion.
Yes, Chinese have seemingly missed the mRNA bullets. I’ve also read somewhere that China was trying hard to convince Taiwan not to take the mRNA route. I don’t know how true that is since there is a lot of propaganda thrown about. If it were true, it might indicate the Chinese foreknowledge about the true nature of mRNA. I find it unlikely that any virus escaped in China but I am certain China played a major role in the overall COVID psy-op.
As it looks right now the Western Imperial Oligarchy is acting in a very treasonous manner, when viewed from the western people’s perspective. The reality is that they are acting in what they perceive to be their best interests. Their interests have clearly diverged from the interests of the rest of us. That alone should be enough to delegitimize their rule over us but unfortunately their grip over us is currently entirely through mind control, but they are rapidly taking us toward a world of hard controls, which will be much harder to fight. We have a limited window of opportunity to act, but seem utterly paralyzed, a direct result of their effective mind control.
Well, all one needs to do to learn about modRNA products is: read the patents. If there's something 'sinister' going on, its the collusion between big gov't (public health), big business (pharma), and the military-intel community on the paraphernalia (Covid passports, mandates, etc.).
I think we need to dismiss the notion that these people care about their originating nation state or “the west”. They don’t. Their nature is now global. The new, seemingly emergent “multipolar” world order is nothing close to “multipolar” - it’s how they are evolving their system to remain in power, not some sort of organic development. I recommend these two recent articles:
https://off-guardian.org/2024/02/19/the-global-deep-state-a-fascist-world-order-funded-by-the-american-taxpayer/
https://off-guardian.org/2024/02/15/the-theyre-all-in-it-together-rebuttal-canard/
I agree, 'multipolarism' appears ever more clearly to be the next-level systemic thing, and while it might sound 'good' in theory, we'll probably find out before too long if it's also 'better' than the present 'system', warts and all.
Absolutely! Multipolarism is largely a ruse, a managed stage toward their dream of planetary level control. Their interests have long ago diverged from the people living in the nation states. The nation states must be neutered because their framework stands in the way of their plans. They are currently doing whatever it takes to manage us through this transition. Wars, tensions, chaos, man made disasters, chemical attacks on our bodies, psy-ops, menticide, and upcoming economic destruction, energy shortages, and food shortages, all viewed as necessary steps by them.
Great post, totally agree with your final thoughts. My fear is that in 20 years there will be avant garde covid 'researchers' who will not believe any of this happened, especially if the US government starts coming out about the covid harms for political reasions. They will say that we were all 'actors' and the interviews were fake.
I wish I'm wrong, but we'll find out--one way or another.
As to the allegations of 'us' being 'actors' and/or delusional, well, here, too, the proof is in the pudding. Check out, e.g., Portuguese Covid 'vaccination' rates (top in Europe in 2021/22), which correlate with Portugal now having the highest excess mortality rates in Europe.
I suppose this, too, is Mr. Putin's doing. Or the 'climate crisis'. Right? Right! (/sarcasm)
The 'covid researchers' of the future will not accept government data - they will say it is fake.
I sincerely wish I were kidding, but I can see into my mental crystal ball (i.e. history and now), and unless human nature changes radically, this will happen.
Problem is, 'covid researchers' may not be wrong completely about gov't data being 'fake' or 'incomplete'.
100% correct. The anomalies will be used to discredit everyone's experiences.
Or 'they' will claim that this is a 'unique' or 'rare' occurrence, thereby handing out second-hand gaslighting.
'Second-hand gaslighting' that's a great phrase! Will steal!