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InfoHog's avatar

One branch of my family is from there. My great grandmother and her son, my grandfather, went from there, on foot, some 1000km to what today is still Germany. He was living in a refugee camp in his youth - back then, they didn't exactly have welcome signs...

My memories of how my great grandmother talked, the peculiar dialect from there, are one of the last remaining fragments of that culture there, I guess.

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cm27874's avatar

My grandparents had to flee from there. On the first attempt they missed the train that was to take them to the Wilhelm Gustloff. I would not be writing this if they had been two minutes earlier... They finally made it to Western Germany but lost a child (my grandmother was too malnourished to produce enough breastmilk). My father was three years old at the time. Although he of course has no explicit memories of the place where he was born, he is still drawn to it and has visited the region numerous times.

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epimetheus's avatar

My grandfather (born 1922) was trapped in the Curonian pocket (cauldron) in late 1944; he was evacuated during the last night of 1944/45 aboard a ship that obviously missed the Gustloff's fate.

Have you ever been to the area?

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cm27874's avatar

I spent a week in Kaliningrad Oblast, somewhere in the mid 1990s. Of Königsberg itself, I do not remember much but the guide pointing to the left and to the right, indicating all the buildings that were mafia property...

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Candy's avatar

💕 you remember her voice. How wonderful

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epimetheus's avatar

Back then, the Communist sympathisers in the Soviet Zone also pushed a lot of refugees into the Western zones…

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Martin Bassani's avatar

A world gone forever. I fear the rest of Europe is heading for a similar outcome.

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epimetheus's avatar

And then some.

We’re all headed this way, I’m afraid.

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Martin Bassani's avatar

Yes, with Europe slightly ahead of the curve at this moment. It seems to me the political class in Europe has been subverted on all levels. Here in the US, this is equally true on the federal level but we still see some stubborn heterogeneity on the state and local level. It remains to be seen if that is eventually going to make any difference. The effects of energy and food policies in Europe will likely become visible sooner than in North America. A slight delay, that’s all; we are surely all heading for the cliff.

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epimetheus's avatar

'They' don't care about 'us', the people.

Over here in Europe, we're a bit earlier to that party, in certain respects; in other aspects, the US appears 'in the lead'. The end result will be the same, though.

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Candy's avatar

It’s a shame they couldn’t preserve that tower-after it made it through the bombings

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epimetheus's avatar

They could have, but they didn’t want to.

It’s the equivalent of the ‘new Soviet man’, i.e., the (Orwellian) erasure of the past and its replacement by something artificial.

It’s everywhere, and while it’s a quite open thing in ‘Communist’ countries (see Mao’s campaign against the ‘four olds’), we do the same in ‘the West’, as any casual stroll across ‘theme parks’ or Colonial Williamsburgh shows those who wish to know.

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Candy's avatar

It’s the actual history they’re trying to erase

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InfoHog's avatar

There are some (German language) DVDs out there, with documentaries about East Prussia, lots of photo material and even some moving pictures. Were quite interesting.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

Amazing.

Have you found any postcards from Australia?

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epimetheus's avatar

Haven’t looked yet, will do so on Monday, ok?

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

OH MY GOSH THIS IS AWESOME

THANK YOU

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epimetheus's avatar

You’re welcome, and don’t thank me yet…

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

I'm excited that you even care enough to look.

That's why I am thanking you.

With so much evil in the world, the thought that someone all the way in Europe would dig through his grandfather's collection to look for Australian postcards is very uplifting, even if you do not find any.

You made my day!

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epimetheus's avatar

So, here goes my report: sadly, I didn't find a postcard from Australia, I'm sorry. I did find one each from New Zealand and, believe it or not, Papua-New Guinea.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

Ok that is ALSO awesome!

North Queensland (on the East coast) has a very strong connection with PNG so people would love to see this, and of course the NZ one is also very cool.

If you have the time and energy, a Pacific Islands one would be a great interest to Australians.

Thank you very much, and to your grandfather, for all this wonderful information.

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epimetheus's avatar

That’s about the nicest thing I heard in a while (outside my family farm house): you’re welcome!

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Markker's avatar

My great uncle was a fisherman from Loye, near Memel border. The village no longer remains. We had to get more permits to enter this area of Elchniederung.

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epimetheus's avatar

Sigh.

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