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Rikard's avatar

If they cannot be habilitated, they must be incarcerated or killed or deported, there are no other options in existence, no matter any ideology.

Accepting this, then the question becomes what habilitation looks like, and how it is to be made to work.

Is the goal to actually have someone change the way they see things, their moral scales and their behaviour regulator? If so, how is it to be achieved and at what cost, and what guarantees are there for its functionality, and what happens if or when it fails - who bears the blame for the failure, in real terms?

Is the goal to condition someone to behave in the way desired by the state, obeying out of fear and as a reflex response? This is different from the above and suggests other methods be used, but there's a hitch:

Your typical violent /repeat/ offender isn't susceptible to harsh treatment as a catalyst for change, and may be incapable of change even if the will is present; the only thing brutality teaches is when to duck and evade, and how to dodge getting caught, rather than anything desired by the state.

Is the goal to protect past and future victims of violent offenders? If so, does this take priority over habilitation/conditioning? At what cost, and to the responsibility of whom? And what greater societal repercussions might such efforts create?

Also, all of the above only deal with what to do after the crime has been committed. None of the above deal with how to prevent it from happening in the first place; those are different, if related, issues. But none of the above questions are ideological or political in nature: they are all grounded in the reality of the situation. Which is why the debate, in Western nations, ignores them and why the problem is handled so ineptly and inefficiently as it is: any solution must first meet ideological and political criteria correctly to be cosnsidered in the first place, with no regard for cost/benefit, probability of success or any kind of empiricism.

Therefore, the problem will remain and will be exacerbated, and only temporary quick-fixes sich as gated communities will be allowed.

Or as most people in pol-sci will hate one for stating:

A political system (or ideological paradigm) creates its own problems, and cannot solve those by working within the confines of the system that created the problems.

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Joshua Jericho Ramos Levine's avatar

Later when the article mentions that 1/3 seriously reoffend, 1/3 do so only in a petty manner, and 1/3 stay clean--I wonder how accurate that is, and how it compares to other institutions? Yes the past 4 years+ must have been hell for so many young people, although it seemed Switzerland was not as bad as Austria--and compared to the US, where there weren't necessarily laws but many areas voluntarily closed schools for 2 years or more--there are gonna be some really messed up pupils "graduating" from high school in this generation, across many countries.

As for the police taking the people's side, after a particularly egregious act of violence committed by a migrant, I wouldn't count on it. There have been so many terrible acts and yet little populist violence. When that one guy shot up a hookah parlor in central Germany ~5 years ago, nobody was rallying to save him (well I'm sure a few people were). The police have gotten more and more obedient in this time, for example my home state in the US (Washington) fired all state police who didn't take "the injection," and I've met or heard of several police officers here in Austria who left the profession after 2020-22's insanity. If someone tries to take down a politician and the public supports the would-be assassin, my feeling is the police will crack down hard on that person and his supporters. But who knows.

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